GreekChat.com Forums  

Go Back   GreekChat.com Forums > Greek Life

Greek Life This forum is for various discussion topics regarding greek life. If you are posting a non-greek related message, please do so in one of the General Chat Topic forums.


Register Now for FREE!
Join GreekChat.com, The Fraternity & Sorority Greek Chat Network. To sign up for your FREE account INSTANTLY fill out the form below!

Username: Password: Confirm Password: E-Mail: Confirm E-Mail:
 
Image Verification
Please enter the six letters or digits that appear in the image opposite.

  I agree to forum rules 

» GC Stats
Members: 298,973
Threads: 114,178
Posts: 2,151,075
Welcome to our newest member, annsheffer
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-23-2008, 01:37 PM
risa06 risa06 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New York
Posts: 3
getting rid of bigs/littles?

A friend of mine mentioned this morning that her (NPC) org's HQ was beginning to discourage the practice of big and little sisters because it promotes seniority. Does anyone know if their HQ's are actually pushing for this?
__________________
AST
'but especially do we thank thee for friends, & for these sisters who are more than friends'
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-23-2008, 01:44 PM
SydneyK SydneyK is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,931
I haven't heard of orgs discouraging the big/little program altogether, but I have heard of orgs using terms other than "big" and "little".

I can understand the move to different terms (although I'll probably always refer to them as bigs and littles, but I'm still struggling to hop on the "recruitment" bandwagon), but I would be disappointed if my org abandoned the program as a whole.
__________________
Never let the facts stand in the way of a good answer. -Tom Magliozzi
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-23-2008, 01:56 PM
Tom Earp Tom Earp is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Kansas City, Kansas USA
Posts: 22,658
This to me would be a very foolish idea as the bigs are there to help their littles.

Maybe they are just going through a name change?
__________________
LCA


LX Z # 1
Alumni
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-23-2008, 02:00 PM
33girl 33girl is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hotel Oceanview
Posts: 33,340
If I'm not mistaken, KKG got rid of big/little then brought it back. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, KKGs)

The "seniority" argument is silly. If a big is doing things like saying "you have to do my laundry because you're my little" it has nothing to do with seniority or the big/little program - it has to do with her being an a-hole. A-holes shouldn't have littles.

No matter what, we are going to have members who have been in the chapter longer, and cliques within chapters. Getting rid of big/little or families doesn't change that, it just makes it take on a different form.
__________________
It is all 33girl's fault. ~DrPhil
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-23-2008, 02:04 PM
adpiucf adpiucf is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: I can't seem to keep track!
Posts: 5,820
I agree. I think it's silly to put different names on it. No offense, but whether you call them diamond sister, mom-kid, or big-little, it's still a sponsor member-new member relationship. Calling it by any other name doesn't change that.

I can understand wanting to discourage anything that would appear to put new members in a subordinate position or imply hazing, but I have yet to meet an ADPi who doesn't say, "This is my big diamond. Or this is my great-grand-lil diamond."

Things can look great on paper by proposing to change the name of the mentor/sponsor program, but let's keep in mind that these organizations have had big-little programs for longer than most of us have been alive. The name isn't going anywhere--- case in point: Rush has been "recruitment" for more than 20 years and most people still call it rush.
__________________
Click here for some helpful information about sorority recruitment and recommendations.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-23-2008, 02:45 PM
BetaAST1899 BetaAST1899 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7
Hmm.
I know the Phi Sigma Sigma Chapter at my school doesn't do a big/little program...I can't remember what it is that they have instead(so the girls don't feel left out 'cause all the other chapters here have Big/Lil's of some kind), But I think, because our chapters aren't super huge, they have something that just encourages New Members to think of all actives as mentors...like "you can ask any active for anything and she'll help"
I mean I'm not certain..but I kinda remember that from recruitment.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-23-2008, 03:17 PM
ISUKappa ISUKappa is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,451
Quote:
Originally Posted by 33girl View Post
If I'm not mistaken, KKG got rid of big/little then brought it back. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, KKGs)
Yes and no. With the implementation of the shorter new member program, we switched to something called Kore groups, which is basically like a pledge family. It's a new member, sophomore, junior and senior who are grouped together. The sophomore or junior member is call the "Key Sister" and acts as the direct mentor to the new member, but the other actives in the Kore group still interact with the new member.

In theory, it's supposed to be different than bigs/littles/families, but most of the time, it still ends up being similar.
__________________
It's gonna be a hootenanny.
Or maybe a jamboree.
Or possibly even a shindig or lollapalooza.
Perhaps it'll be a hootshinpaloozaree. I don't know.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-23-2008, 03:24 PM
Glitter650 Glitter650 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: In the wine and Wallow room
Posts: 2,065
Quote:
Originally Posted by BetaAST1899 View Post
Hmm.
I know the Phi Sigma Sigma Chapter at my school doesn't do a big/little program...I can't remember what it is that they have instead(so the girls don't feel left out 'cause all the other chapters here have Big/Lil's of some kind), But I think, because our chapters aren't super huge, they have something that just encourages New Members to think of all actives as mentors...like "you can ask any active for anything and she'll help"
I mean I'm not certain..but I kinda remember that from recruitment.
Humm... I've not heard of a chapter not doing Sapphire sisters ( it's bigs/lils, but that's our "new" term for the program) but that doesn't mean there's not a chapter that doesn't
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-23-2008, 03:28 PM
UGAalum94 UGAalum94 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Atlanta area
Posts: 5,385
Quote:
Originally Posted by ISUKappa View Post
Yes and no. With the implementation of the shorter new member program, we switched to something called Kore groups, which is basically like a pledge family. It's a new member, sophomore, junior and senior who are grouped together. The sophomore or junior member is call the "Key Sister" and acts as the direct mentor to the new member, but the other actives in the Kore group still interact with the new member.

In theory, it's supposed to be different than bigs/littles/families, but most of the time, it still ends up being similar.
This sounds like a great idea because it ups the chances that the new member will have close connections in the group from the beginning. It also sounds great because it keeps seniors involved and values their role in a different way that just expecting them to take another little sister.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-23-2008, 03:39 PM
ForeverRoses ForeverRoses is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: right here
Posts: 1,925
I can't imagine doing away with bigs/littles in some form.
In both theory and practice it works pretty well.


In fact my son's school just started a "mentor family" program for the new parents to the school. The principal even described it as a "big/little type program". I have my first mentoree family and next year, they will take a mentoree family and so on until we have built a network of older and newer families. in theory, when my son reaches 8th grade, there will be 8 other families that we are linked with as part of the mentor family.
__________________
So I enter that I may grow in knowledge, wisdom and love.

So I depart that I may now better serve my fellow man, my country & God
.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-23-2008, 03:50 PM
Texas<>Diamonds Texas<>Diamonds is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 46
I think it is sad that we have to be so careful when it comes to certain aspects of Panhellenic life. This just seems like another example where people are going too far to insure other's feelings are not hurt. I am not suggesting that any NPC sorority haze. I am just saying that getting rid of bigs and littles is silly and ignores the positive things that bigs and littles do. I think people need to quit complaining and loof for the positive!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-23-2008, 03:57 PM
MaggieXi MaggieXi is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: PA
Posts: 790
Kind of a hijack - I am confused when people say how many littles they have. Like I was talking to an AXiD from another chapter and she asked me how many littles I have and I said one. She looked absolutely puzzled. I asked how many she had- she had 3. When people say they take more than one little - are they talking about taking twins or their little taking a little (which would be the original bigs grand-little)?

Did I confuse everyone with my question?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-23-2008, 04:02 PM
33girl 33girl is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hotel Oceanview
Posts: 33,340
They're talking about taking twins. Her chapter experience just may have been such that having only one little was the exception rather than the norm.
__________________
It is all 33girl's fault. ~DrPhil
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-23-2008, 04:40 PM
nittanyalum nittanyalum is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: location, location... isn't that what it's all about?
Posts: 4,248
I don't even know what twins are. Is that 2 littles at the same time? Or just 2 littles in general?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-23-2008, 04:41 PM
Elephant Walk Elephant Walk is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Occupied Territory CSA
Posts: 2,238
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittanyalum View Post
I don't even know what twins are. Is that 2 littles at the same time? Or just 2 littles in general?
For us it's 2 littles at one time. Rarely happens.
__________________
Overall, though, it's the bigness of the car that counts the most. Because when something bad happens in a really big car accidentally speeding through the middle of a gang of unruly young people who have been taunting you in a drive-in restaurant, for instance it happens very far away way out at the end of your fenders. It's like a civil war in Africa; you know, it doesn't really concern you too much. - P.J. O'Rourke
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How are bigs and littles matched up? dphies00 Greek Life 13 07-14-2008 12:26 AM
bigs/littles cryingcarebear Greek Life 32 10-19-2007 01:23 PM
Bigs and Littles Contessima Sigma Alpha Iota 5 10-16-2004 05:53 PM
bigs/littles OnePlus69Is70 Recruitment 6 07-02-2002 10:39 AM
BIGS & littles jamers334 Greek Life 4 03-26-2001 10:56 PM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.