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Old 03-22-2007, 10:25 AM
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How in the heck does this DZ president know how things were done at the DePauw chapter if she does not go there?

She read the press kit.
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Old 03-22-2007, 02:26 PM
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that artical was so full of errors, i know an email was sent to the editor-in-chief and the reporter to clarify some points. Things have to be in Context since it's about Depauw and not some other unnamed University with 40,000 students. Hopefully they do... I love how DG was mentioned when Zeta is definatley different than Gamma. Also, good point, Nationals isn't telling the alumnae leaders everything, so why would they tell a collegeiate president everything?
I'm actually an advisor at Bowling Green State University. (Though I hadn't seen this article yet - thanks to GC for bringing it to my attention. )

My guess is that the "Gamma" was a typo on the author's part - Dr. Binder (Director of Greek Affairs) is a wonderful, very knowledgable individual, and I'm sure he wouldn't have made that mistake in the article.

As far as the size of BGSU, it definitely has nowhere near 40K students. An e-mail came out on the all advisor listserv regarding recruitment, which stated that there are approximately 7,300 undergraduate men at BGSU and about 650 of them belong to an IFC group. (Unfortunately there weren't numbers for sororities in that particular e-mail, but I would anticipate the female numbers being very similar to the male numbers.) In that regard though, it is very different from DePauw, which had a huge percentage of Greeks. BGSU might have more students overall, but only about 10-11% are Greek.

I will agree with one thing in the article though - Kappa Delta has been very successful in their reorganization. There are some unique aspects to BGSU's Greek situation though. (Well, unique to me, coming from a campus where chapters owned their own off campus housing.) At BGSU, the Greek housing is owned by the University. Some sororities reside in cottage style housing that has a total capacity of 15-20ish members. Other sororities live in larger housing that has a total capacity in the 30ish + member range. There's recently been a trend that the sororities with the smaller houses have been faring better in recruitment - the theory being that PNMs know that they will be less likely to be obligated to live in for an extended period of time and/or "forced" to live in as upperclassmen. (This is a trend that has played out over the course of a few years - I was a little skeptical at first when undergraduate students explained that to me, but even the Panhellenic Advisor confirmed that it seems to be the case.)

I've been told that a fraternity (Pi Kappa Alpha, I believe) left campus housing, and has doubled in size since losing a chapter house residence. It seems strange to me, because the intuitive thing would seem that a chapter without a facility would struggle more, but that appears to be the way it plays out on campus. (I'm hoping that this will work in favor for our chapter, which will not be having on campus housing next year.)
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:19 PM
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Some Mods seem to do that lately don't they?

The important thing is the situation at hand and I hope it does not hurt the National Sorority over all.

I beleive it was also stated that DZ will never be allowed on the Campus again.

I beleive the school trumps the Organization.

The Sorority loses at this campus only and does have a chance at other schools except for teh net working among schools. Lets hope this turns out for the best dor DZ..
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:40 PM
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I believe it was also stated that DZ will never be allowed on the campus again.

I believe the school trumps the organization.

The sorority loses at this campus only and does have a chance at other schools except for the networking among schools. Let's hope this turns out for the best for DZ.
Maybe President Bottoms said they won't be allowed back if he's still there, but I believe this is a case of "never say never."

What would have made more sense would be for him to say that as long as the same women are in charge they wouldn't be allowed back under his watch. Things can change dramatically from administration to administration as far as the direction they want the sorority to go.

And as I stated before - if he thinks DZ is the only sorority that's ever done anything like this, he is living in a happy fairy land.
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Old 03-22-2007, 04:43 PM
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I beleive it was also stated that DZ will never be allowed on the Campus again.

Not sure where you read that, but i asked administration. They are off indefinatley. they probably wont be on campus in the next 5 years, definatly not by 2009, i am almost certain. If they apply to come back on campus and they can show that they deserve to be on our campus again, I am sure they will back, but Nationals is going to have to have to truly work with the School and willing to compromise in order to come back.

To susan314, I was exaggerating numbers meaning we dont have plethora of extra independents that are the 'ideal' (whatever that means to you) sorority girl and i don't think that Nationals understood this.

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Old 03-22-2007, 05:21 PM
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To susan314, I was exaggerating numbers meaning we dont have plethora of extra independents that are the 'ideal' (whatever that means to you) sorority girl and i don't think that Nationals understood this.
Yes, I understood that from your original post. I should have been more clear in my response - I was trying to give a general idea of what the campus was like at BGSU, since there was an article demonstrating the recent successful reorg of the KD chapter there. (If people were trying to see, in general, whether a similar reorg could be successful on other campuses, I thought it would be helpful to understand what BG's campus is like.)

Additionally, I should have mentioned the strength of the Greek Affairs office at the university. (I alluded to it in my comment about Dr. Binder, but didn't elaborate on their graduate assistants and programs offered by the office.) I strongly suspect that part of the reason that the recent sorority reorg was successful is due to how supportive the Greek Affairs office is on campus. They do a wonderful job of providing resources and programming for chapters who might be having troubles (whether it be with recruitment, scholarship, or any other aspect of Greek life). In the short time that I have been involved with Greek life on BGSU's campus, I have been pleasantly surprised with the Greek Affairs office. Compared to what I've been a part of and/or heard about some other campuses, I have never witnessed a University office being so supportive of Greek life. (I'm sure that there are other universities like that out there, I just haven't seen them in action for myself.)
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Old 03-22-2007, 05:50 PM
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You know what I just thought of? I don't know why I didn't think of it before....

It's never a good idea to start a war with the media.
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Old 03-22-2007, 05:52 PM
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You know what I just thought of? I don't know why I didn't think of it before....

It's never a good idea to start a war with the media.
You have a very good point.

However I was just thinking that it can be fun to start a war with the media. Funny, no?
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Old 03-22-2007, 06:13 PM
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You have a very good point.

However I was just thinking that it can be fun to start a war with the media. Funny, no?
And I was thinking it's so much more fun to have a war using the media, especially the medium of Greek Chat.

(Or maybe it's so much less fun. I'm conflicted.)
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Old 03-22-2007, 09:35 PM
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And I was thinking it's so much more fun to have a war using the media, especially the medium of Greek Chat.

(Or maybe it's so much less fun. I'm conflicted.)
Both are true! War is Peace!
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Old 03-22-2007, 09:56 PM
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You know what I just thought of? I don't know why I didn't think of it before....

It's never a good idea to start a war with the media.
I can't begin to tell you how much I have enjoyed your recent fiesty posts. I laugh out loud like an idiot.

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Old 03-22-2007, 10:32 PM
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She read the press kit.
haha of course.

naturally something like that would be in the toolkit!
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Old 03-22-2007, 11:06 PM
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I can't begin to tell you how much I have enjoyed your recent fiesty posts. I laugh out loud like an idiot.

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Old 03-22-2007, 11:26 PM
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