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Old 09-06-2017, 08:57 PM
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Some thoughts about "I didn't feel a connection" and the stronger recruiting chapters

There is something I don't think PNMs understand about "I didn't feel a connection" and I'm going to try to articulate it and have it make sense (from the perspective of someone who has worked with stronger chapters)

Most of the time, when a PNM says "I didn't feel a connection and I'm going to drop out to see if I can get a chapter I felt more connected with" it usually means that they are interested in a top recruiting chapter who dropped them rather early (like, before Pref) and want to go through again to see if they'll get one of them.

But here's the thing they do not get about connecting with the top chapters on a campus.

If you surveyed 100 PNMs at say, Texas 99 of them will tell you they felt connected with (example) Pi Phi, Chi O, etc. (not in a "not naming" mood this evening and really, if you google, you will know who is considered strong at any campus in 5 minutes.)

There's a reason they'll all say that.

Look at any strong recruiting chapter in your sorority. All of them have one thing in common. Ex: In Pi Phi it is probably Texas but every NPC has those rock star top tier chapters with recruitment. For Sigma it's Elon, Central MO, Truman State.

They are GOOD at recruitment week. They are excellent at conversation, they're highly involved on campus, they're polished.

It is their JOB to make you feel connected to them. They rush you well. So you are going to leave there feeling like you can see yourself there. Even if they have really had 70% of their invite list determined since May.

not saying they're fake because well, they are not. They are good hostesses and just good at every little detail and conversation that comes with recruitment and they put a lot of time into it.

So when they drop you, it stings and you pine away for them and think you're missing your destiny and that you are obviously meant to be a ______.

Meanwhile you are discounting and missing out on other perfectly good chapters who are legit connecting with you but maybe are not as polished as XYZ. Or maybe are giving you weird pairings when you met them at their houses so the experience is a little, well, off.

Not to take anything away from these strong groups but they have 99% returns and are ranked first on 99% of MRABAs for a reason. PNMs do not realize that these chapters are good at getting everyone to buy into their sales pitch, identify with them, and want to be a XYZ. That is what good rushers do. So what you think is connection is them being excellent recruiters (which they should be), regardless of whether they have room for you.

My point in all of this is not to discourage people or make them think that the sorority they like, love love love secretly hates them, just keep in mind that a certain percentage of chapters excel at making girls want them, and they simply do not have room for everyone so when they drop you, it is nothing personal. That, and what you may be seeing as "omg they really want to be my best friend" is really just going out of their way to make every PNM feel welcome and does not always = an invite to pref or a bid.

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Old 09-06-2017, 09:18 PM
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:42 PM
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Yes and yes. Some people in general have this gift. My stepbrother is one of them. He's a good looking guy, and he has a way of talking to anyone in a room and not having a problem with it. If Leonardo DiCaprio walked in, he'd be the one person to casually walk over to him and be his best friend within five minutes. At the same time, he's also the guy who would walk up to a homely looking girl at the bar and make her feel like a million bucks.

No surprise here, but he now works in sales.

When it comes to recruitment, these women are just good at what they do. They've got it together. Everyone thinks they're amazing, but clearly not every PNM can be part of their chapter. And many times, they're not "supposed to be" part of that chapter; they only think they are. And unfortunately, some PNMs can't open their hearts and minds to any other group; groups that they would be perfectly happy joining, that have amazing members who aren't the epitome of perfection during the insanity of recruitment.
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:46 PM
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Thanks so much for this post. I have counseled a few girls going through recruitment this fall about this. One context I tell them to really think about is the "show" of recruitment versus what's real. My BFFs daughter went through and was very enamored with an extremely strong recruiting chapter the first day and still liked them a lot the second day. Thing is, said chapter didn't align with her values and most of what she liked about them was surface, whereas most of what she liked about the chapter she eventually joined (who did not put on a good show on day 1) was deeper and more in line with what she wanted long term. Thank goodness she had smart people to get her through that, because by the time Strong House cut her before pref, she didn't even care and really liked the house she eventually joined. She is happy as a clam now!
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Old 09-07-2017, 03:11 AM
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I am glad you understand what I'm saying.

I was worried that people would think I was calling strong chapters "fake."

Having worked with a few of our stronger groups in my volunteer role, they are not.

They just tend to understand the importance of building strong recruiters, making sure your strongest recruiters are the face of the organization and pairing people off well.

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Old 09-07-2017, 09:25 AM
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I am also going to venture an opinion that they are good at either pulling a conversation out of the flames or dragging someone in who can do so without freaking out.
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:48 AM
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Makes me wonder how some GLOs can be so strong in certain areas of the country or schools and weaker elsewhere, primarily in terms of their return rate. Do national organizations look at this and try to help? Perhaps some workshops on the skills it takes to run a successful campaign? I think of it like sales training -- helps the team get stronger, improve those return and retention rates?
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:53 AM
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It's because of what a "big deal" a group is in that area of the country. Put bluntly, the girls with stronger people skills tend to join certain groups in certain areas of the country.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:48 AM
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I'll use my own chapter as an example of this, at the risk of sounding like I'm bragging. My undergraduate chapter is that top-tier rockstar recruiting chapter, with incredibly high return rates and pledge classes full of women who wanted to be there more than anything in the world. Our success is a combination of all the things everyone's shared.

Girls come in to Clemson knowing the names of some sororities ahead of time, including ADPi. The university is about 70% in-state students, but it's a lot higher in my chapter, and virtually no one is not from the South. We had at least six younger siblings of active chapter sisters join this year as well as goodness knows how many other legacies, and oodles more who knew someone from cheer/dance/pageants/church groups/high school. Girls who already know someone in the chapter have a leg up in recruitment (and this is true everywhere) simply because it's not the first time two strangers are meeting each other and sizing each other up for fit. We already know if you will or won't fit because four chapter sisters spent three years cheering with you in high school.

Being an ADPi in South Carolina also "means something" in a way that joining other chapters doesn't. And I say this as a lifelong New Englander from a corner of the world where joining a sorority means as much to the public as your shoe size. But there's a lot of chapters in the state which produce a lot of alumnae and legacies, a lot of prominent women or family of prominent women who are members, and when your chapter churns out Miss South Carolina candidates every year it's not hard to see them and think "this is the chapter for beautiful, accomplished women, and if I join them I will also be beautiful and accomplished". Seeing runner-up Miss America Ali Rodgers speak at Preference Night worked on me.

The other secret to high return rates that hasn't been touched on as much is only inviting back women who want to be there. When 1000 PNMs go through the first round of recruitment and you can only invite 300 back to the next, you want to invite back women who you already know want to come back. If 200 of those 1000 PNMs want nothing to do with ADPi for whatever reason, we had the luxury of not inviting them to the next round. That's RFM working as it's supposed to, but I think there's a difference between the chapter everyone wants and the chapter who knows who wants them and only invites those girls back.

I disclaim all this by saying that I personally don't embody a lot of this, and I think y'all know that-I'm from the North (very few of us in my chapter) and I didn't do cheer/dance/pageants/church groups/high school with anyone from my chapter. I also was never the recruiting face of my chapter, and while I resented it at the time I now understand that we weren't trying to recruit more Northerners with no in-house connections.

I think this approach is repeated with different chapters in different areas of the country: they know who they want, and they make those girls feel wanted along with everyone else by association, then the cycle repeats itself the next year.

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Old 09-07-2017, 04:22 PM
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Makes me wonder how some GLOs can be so strong in certain areas of the country or schools and weaker elsewhere, primarily in terms of their return rate. Do national organizations look at this and try to help? Perhaps some workshops on the skills it takes to run a successful campaign? I think of it like sales training -- helps the team get stronger, improve those return and retention rates?
Short answer: Yes. That was my volunteer role for six years.
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:04 PM
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As I continue my alumnae journey and maybe because I'm getting older (eeekk), it has become a bit more heartbreaking to see that sometimes the young women who need the sorority experience the most are the ones that sometimes get left behind.

When I think of the collective power our NPC groups (and the other councils too) have to transform the lives of young women I am in awe.

I have advised that young woman who was shy and watched her find confidence in herself and her abilities. I've also advised that top of the class go getter and watched her accelerate the pace at which she achieved her goals.

In reality, while we all want to have strong successful chapters (however we define success), those other chapters might be exemplifying the values of our founders a bit more deeply by providing a meaningful and potentially transformative experience to those needing it most.

There is room for everyone if we could break free of the need to all be the best at all times. Hard concept for many 18-22 year olds, hard concept for many adults.

For me if you have a chapter of debutantes - rock on! If you have a chapter of future computer programmers - excellent! If you have a chapter with both - magical!

At the end of the day when we live our values and mission, we the sorority women of the world are transforming lives and promoting the best of the sorority experience together!
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:33 PM
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I agree with everything said above! Oh, that every PNM could understand these wise words.

I'll also point out that this same phenomenon takes place in the real world as well. I was recently in the midst of a job change and was fortunate enough to have several interviews with different firms for positions that interested me. Some companies are GREAT at recruiting new employees! The headhunter whom I was working with was skilled at helping me look at the big picture of what each of these companies had to offer rather than get swept up in the glitter of a company who's best skill might be recruitment.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:27 PM
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I agree with everything said above! Oh, that every PNM could understand these wise words.

I'll also point out that this same phenomenon takes place in the real world as well. I was recently in the midst of a job change and was fortunate enough to have several interviews with different firms for positions that interested me. Some companies are GREAT at recruiting new employees! The headhunter whom I was working with was skilled at helping me look at the big picture of what each of these companies had to offer rather than get swept up in the glitter of a company who's best skill might be recruitment.
Oh my, yes. Again, some people are good at this and some people not so much. It's difficult, though, to get past that sometimes. Your relationship with your boss and your co-workers is not the same as that of your sorority sisters, and it's a different recruiting situation.

At the company where I just started, I had interviews with people at all levels - a recruiter, my supervisor, his supervisor, and two people who I would be working with directly in my department. They were all personable, and the conversation just flowed. They each had my resume in front of them, and clearly they had all actually read it and studied it. And in between asking me about my qualifications, they also said things like, "I see you lived in Hawaii. What was that like?" and "You're the editor for your sorority's magazine? That's awesome!" It felt like I was having a normal conversation, and even though I wasn't totally sold on the company going in, and I knew very little about it, I left that interview feeling great.

Then there was another job that originally I REALLY wanted. It was at a global company with a great culture, and it's listed among Fortune's list of 100 best companies to work for. I went on the interview and I met with a recruiter and four others. All of the conversations went OK, and then I met with my potential direct supervisor. Everyone praised her and said she's amazing, and all of her employees really respect her. And then came the questions (with no smile and barely any eye contact as I answered and she took notes)...

Name a time when you had a difficult request from a client and you helped them resolve it.

Name a time when you had a disagreement with a co-worker and what you did to negotiate a favorable outcome.

Where do you see yourself in 5 years?

Then she gave me a quiz on insurance coverage.

Blah. I was completely turned off. But perhaps she really is a great supervisor, and her department runs like a well-oiled machine. If I had been asked back for a second interview, I probably would have accepted, but I would have been hesitant.

But hey, this could also be a lesson in learning to love your second and third and fourth choice.
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:19 PM
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It's because of what a "big deal" a group is in that area of the country. Put bluntly, the girls with stronger people skills tend to join certain groups in certain areas of the country.
I agree. I remember going through recruitment, as a second year. There was 1 house, XYZ, that I knew probably wasn't going to be a good fit for me, but they were great rushers. So I left Day 1 feeling like I did want to be an XYZ, and getting cut hurt, even though I knew it wasn't the house for me.

But yes, especially in the South, certain groups have dominance. It may vary by region but, everyone knows their name and those are the houses that the top rushees target.

However, it's unfortunate that "I didn't feel a connection" is often an excuse for being a snob and a PNM thinking that she's above that house, and then proceeding to trash them because they're "bottom tier", as we've seen in a couple of threads here. So then, when a girl comes says that, and worse names names, and people give her sympathy and tell her to try again, meh.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:17 AM
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However, it's unfortunate that "I didn't feel a connection" is often an excuse for being a snob and a PNM thinking that she's above that house, and then proceeding to trash them because they're "bottom tier", as we've seen in a couple of threads here. So then, when a girl comes says that, and worse names names, and people give her sympathy and tell her to try again, meh.
Agree. And based on things I read here and see with girls going through rush, I think there is also something else afoot, at least for some PNM's: that they believe that they're SUPPOSED to have an instant connection and when they don't, they go into a tailspin. Especially if they know girls who do have that.

It's kinda like dating - sometimes we fall in love with a person over time, other people know pretty soon.

I don't recall this being as big an issue when I was in school, so I wonder if some of this is connected to living in a more instant gratification society. Maybe not, but given how fast people can get things these days (online shopping, dating - heck you don't even have to wait a week for a new TV episode, you can get it all at once online), I think that can influence one's mindset, especially when you're younger and have limited life experience. And there are girls for whom things have come easily so if this is the first time they've not gotten what they want, that can be a shocker.

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