GreekChat.com Forums  

Go Back   GreekChat.com Forums > Greek Life

Greek Life This forum is for various discussion topics regarding greek life. If you are posting a non-greek related message, please do so in one of the General Chat Topic forums.


Register Now for FREE!
Join GreekChat.com, The Fraternity & Sorority Greek Chat Network. To sign up for your FREE account INSTANTLY fill out the form below!

Username: Password: Confirm Password: E-Mail: Confirm E-Mail:
 
Image Verification
Please enter the six letters or digits that appear in the image opposite.

  I agree to forum rules 

» GC Stats
Members: 297,087
Threads: 114,112
Posts: 2,150,319
Welcome to our newest member, eveastivaov3299
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 07-24-2017, 05:56 PM
PhilTau PhilTau is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Oregon
Posts: 69
Three more years of college? Though you make us guess at your situation, if three years includes graduate school or a five-year professional program, keep your priorities straight. It is probably a safe assumption that you are transferring to harder and/or more prestigious school, so focus on your classes. Then see if you really have time for an active roll in any fraternity, especially since you are already in a good one now.

There is nothing stopping you from periodically going back to your old school for alumni fraternity events there. Also, there is likely nothing stopping you from focusing on your field of study by joining a professional fraternity in your field at your new college.

I don't know the politics of AEPi - but, if you want to pursue joining the chapter at your new college, this may be a rare situation where recommendation letters from alumni of the chapter at your new school may help. Also, letters from your old chapter recommending your affiliation could also help, assuming of course that you were a good member and someone they will be missing.

In general, I believe it is a very big mistake for an initiated member of any fraternity to even consider renouncing his membership. For most fraternities, the commitment made to the fraternity is for life.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-24-2017, 06:32 PM
cooljon525 cooljon525 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sciencewoman View Post
Are you an initiated member? I guess I'm not understanding why/how the other chapter could have you "pledge" again if you're already initiated? That's a good question to ask your national HQ about the process. Only initiated members are completely beholden to their fraternity or sorority. If you are initiated, it seems like the only options for that chapter are to affiliate you, or turn you down for affiliation.

If your friends in that chapter are discouraging you, I think you're right to be worried. Sounds like they're giving you tough, but honest, advice.

I transferred and affiliated myself, and it is a weird process to have to get voted in by the new chapter. I was going to advise you to make contact early with the chapter leadership and put your best foot forward, but your friends' opinions are making me think you may need to decide between transferring and the active, collegiate fraternity experience.

The rules are the rules and there aren't any exceptions for certain situations. Since you know brothers at the new school, there's no way you could fly under the radar and try to rush another fraternity. The word will be out, and then you'll really be persona non grata.

If you're not initiated, then you can rush again.
I am an initiated member. My friends told me that the chapter gets a lot of transfers each year and the guys are frustrated because of it. They want people to go through the pledge process. I am considering re-pledging but their chapter has an extremely hard pledge process so I'm worried that my grades will suffer tremendously.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-24-2017, 06:47 PM
33girl 33girl is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hotel Oceanview
Posts: 33,304
There's also the chance that you will get to your new school and not like the guys in the new chapter, or not like Greek life in general. It might be more of a change than you think going to a school-recognized chapter if the one you pledged is not.

I know that there are chapters who have issues with lots of transfers coming in, but if anyone told me I had to repeat pledging after I was a fully initiated member, I think I would tell them to go shit in their hat.
__________________
It is all 33girl's fault. ~DrPhil
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-24-2017, 06:48 PM
PhilTau PhilTau is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Oregon
Posts: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooljon525 View Post
I am an initiated member. My friends told me that the chapter gets a lot of transfers each year and the guys are frustrated because of it. They want people to go through the pledge process. I am considering re-pledging but their chapter has an extremely hard pledge process so I'm worried that my grades will suffer tremendously.
Making initiated members pledge again? I can see how this would make initiates upset.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-24-2017, 08:54 PM
Kevin Kevin is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Posts: 18,008
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooljon525 View Post
I am an initiated member. My friends told me that the chapter gets a lot of transfers each year and the guys are frustrated because of it. They want people to go through the pledge process. I am considering re-pledging but their chapter has an extremely hard pledge process so I'm worried that my grades will suffer tremendously.
So what you're saying is that this chapter hazes badly?

You could always begin the process, gather solid evidence, report those dbags to HQ and be part of the leadership team when HQ comes in to clean house. If you have a chapter which is hazing, it is not a question of if, but when someone gets hurt.

If no hazing is involved, repledging will be like going back to high school knowing all of the stuff you know now. The process may be difficult for those who haven't gone through it, but you have. I can also appreciate them wanting you to go through that process to join their chapter. It's part of their chapter's culture.
__________________
SN -SINCE 1869-
"EXCELLING WITH HONOR"
S N E T T
Mu Tau 5, Central Oklahoma
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 07-25-2017, 12:17 AM
cooljon525 cooljon525 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
So what you're saying is that this chapter hazes badly?

You could always begin the process, gather solid evidence, report those dbags to HQ and be part of the leadership team when HQ comes in to clean house. If you have a chapter which is hazing, it is not a question of if, but when someone gets hurt.

If no hazing is involved, repledging will be like going back to high school knowing all of the stuff you know now. The process may be difficult for those who haven't gone through it, but you have. I can also appreciate them wanting you to go through that process to join their chapter. It's part of their chapter's culture.
If re-pledging was just about learning the history of the fraternity then, of course, I would just do that and not make this post. Part of the reason I was considering renouncing my membership if can't transfer in, is so that I can pledge a fraternity with an easier pledge process. I barely got through pledging once and I know that this chapter I want to join has it a lot worse for pledges. I wouldn't want to report them because I feel like that would only make my situation worse and i'll make enemies.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-25-2017, 12:23 AM
Kevin Kevin is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Posts: 18,008
If they're kicked out and you're in charge, what kind of enemies are they?
__________________
SN -SINCE 1869-
"EXCELLING WITH HONOR"
S N E T T
Mu Tau 5, Central Oklahoma
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 07-25-2017, 02:10 AM
PhilTau PhilTau is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Oregon
Posts: 69
The national website says they have a "zero tolerance policy on hazing" and the policy is laid out in detail along with a hotline.

Based on the information in these posts, I must assume the chapter at the new school does not violate this policy. It is very possible that the re-pledging stuff has more to do with making sure the transfer becomes acquainted with every active in the chapter before approving the affiliation, which could become quite a task if the active membership is very large.

Unless the OP's friends at the transfer school chapter are chapter officers, it is very possible that the information the OP is getting may not be accurate. Suggest the OP get something in writing from the local chapter and the national organization stating exactly what he will be required to do to transfer active membership to the new school.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 07-25-2017, 07:57 AM
FSUZeta FSUZeta is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: naples, florida
Posts: 14,949
An initiated member of a fraternal organization SHOULD NOT have to re-pledge his/her org at a new school. I would imagine this would probably fall under the hazing heading. As an initiated brother, you have the rights and privileges of any other member BECAUSE YOU ARE INITIATED!!

CALL YOUR NATIONAL OFFICE. Find out from the powers that be what the AEPi transfer policy is. That way, you know where you actually stand with the potential membership transfer. Something like

" Hello. AEPi headquarters? I am (name). I was initiated this year at ( name of your chapter and college). I am thinking of transferring to ( name of prospective college) and would like to know AEPi's policy on transferring membership from one chapter to another."

Then you will know if transferring your membership is doable. If AEPi has a blanket policy that a chapter must accept any initiated transfer you will know and you will no longer have to discuss the possibilities with people who are not AEPis, and therefore do not have the answers for you.

CALL YOUR NATIONAL OFFICE. Their phone is 317-876-1913.
__________________
I live in Fantasyland and I have waterfront property.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 07-25-2017, 09:47 AM
Kevin Kevin is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Posts: 18,008
I would think the chapter at the new school has the choice as to whether to affiliate someone. I imagine they could attach whatever preconditions they want to. Don't like it? They'll just vote no. Calling HQ because you don't like the preconditions for affiliation is a sure way to get no voted.
__________________
SN -SINCE 1869-
"EXCELLING WITH HONOR"
S N E T T
Mu Tau 5, Central Oklahoma
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 07-25-2017, 10:30 AM
FSUZeta FSUZeta is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: naples, florida
Posts: 14,949
That is not true of all orgs. Some orgs allow their chapters to vote on whether to accept the transfer into their chapter. Other orgs have rules where the chapter must accept any transfer. Others can vote not to accept any transfers-no exceptions. That's why he needs to call headquarters to find out what his org's national transfer policy is. Not to tattle on a chapter's policy that right now is just hearsay, and does not presently impact him. I think my preceding post explained what he should do and how he he should go about it.
__________________
I live in Fantasyland and I have waterfront property.

Last edited by FSUZeta; 07-25-2017 at 10:41 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-25-2017, 01:56 PM
DGTess's Avatar
DGTess DGTess is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 905
Send a message via Yahoo to DGTess
"The new school has my chapter but I've heard from many people that the guys in that chapter do not like transfer students and vote most of them out because they feel it ruins the dynamic of the fraternity. "

"I checked the AEPi laws and it states that the chapter does have to vote me in for me to reaffiliate. "

From your OP.

First, the "heard from many people ..." may or may not be your best source of information. Have you contacted one of the officers or advisors for that chapter?

Second, if the by-laws say the chapter does have to vote - and you're certain of that - then contacting the chapter ahead of time to get to know them seems like a good idea.
__________________
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population.-Einstein
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-25-2017, 08:59 PM
cooljon525 cooljon525 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by DGTess View Post
"The new school has my chapter but I've heard from many people that the guys in that chapter do not like transfer students and vote most of them out because they feel it ruins the dynamic of the fraternity. "

"I checked the AEPi laws and it states that the chapter does have to vote me in for me to reaffiliate. "

From your OP.

First, the "heard from many people ..." may or may not be your best source of information. Have you contacted one of the officers or advisors for that chapter?

Second, if the by-laws say the chapter does have to vote - and you're certain of that - then contacting the chapter ahead of time to get to know them seems like a good idea.
I am planning to contact the new chapter this summer. Do you think I should get recommendations from the brothers at my old chapter and give it to the guys?
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-25-2017, 09:21 PM
Titchou Titchou is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 3,892
Perhaps have the president of your original chapter write the president of the new one? Also, my group requires a form stating that you are in good standing to be sent to the new chapter. You might ask if there is such in your group.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-26-2017, 12:42 PM
PhilTau PhilTau is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Oregon
Posts: 69
A chapter's reluctance to automatically accept transfers is understandable. It is also understandable how an initiated transfer student may be reluctant to transfer his active membership to another chapter.

New chapter's viewpoint: We don't know this guy. vs. He (and a bunch of other transfers) are wearing our letters all over campus and we can't do anything about it because they are in fact members. vs. He will pay dues.

Transferee viewpoint: I'm a member. vs. The dues are high and I don't really know anyone. It's just not the same as my old school.

I do recall one transfer member while I was an active. He was an active when I pledged. While pledging, I saw no difference in status because he was an active and I was a pledge. Though, after I became active, I once heard a comment about him being a transfer. This individual was WELL LIKED BY ALL. He was an active member when I joined and remained active after I graduated.

Transfers likely have a better experience if their new chapter is small. If the chapter has over 50 actives, it may be harder to break in to the group. This may be a rationale for requiring each transfer have at least some common experiences with a pledge class -- though I do not advocate for this approach.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Transferring Schools SigEp_NCNu Sigma Phi Epsilon 2 01-23-2010 01:07 PM
Transferring schools... please help! pradagirl04 Sorority Recruitment 3 04-22-2008 12:45 PM
transferring schools tld221 Delta Sigma Theta 18 01-06-2004 08:04 AM
Transferring schools... PKTSU01 Chit Chat 15 12-18-2002 03:30 AM
transferring schools... agdbaby Alpha Gamma Delta 3 05-17-2002 09:03 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.