GreekChat.com Forums  

Go Back   GreekChat.com Forums > Recruitment > Sorority Recruitment

Sorority Recruitment Recruitment event and bid day ideas, membership retention, publicity, recruitment policies, etc.


Register Now for FREE!
Join GreekChat.com, The Fraternity & Sorority Greek Chat Network. To sign up for your FREE account INSTANTLY fill out the form below!

Username: Password: Confirm Password: E-Mail: Confirm E-Mail:
 
Image Verification
Please enter the six letters or digits that appear in the image opposite.

  I agree to forum rules 

» GC Stats
Members: 300,286
Threads: 114,209
Posts: 2,151,523
Welcome to our newest member, baradattsa1612
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 09-04-2011, 10:04 PM
shirley1929 shirley1929 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 569
Well, we now know a pretty decent case where this happened. Melinda Warren's story (the great Harry Potter one) where her friend Parvati had a bid to Slytherin and had to later turn it down, and Melinda went bidless. Now, Melinda was dropped from the system before pref, so it's a little different. However, all Melinda had before that was Slytherin, so she could have (in theory) had that bid that Parvati had taken
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 09-04-2011, 10:11 PM
Titchou Titchou is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 3,914
Quote:
Originally Posted by violetpretty View Post
I'm not talking about QAs at all. What is to prohibit a College Panhellenic from requiring PNMs to attend all events for which they have room in their schedule? Otherwise, way more PNMs would ditch parties.
Neither am I. It says what to do with ANY woman who fails to attend events on ANY day. Again I say, if they are making any woman who fails to accept an invitation leave recruitment, they should be reported.

Granted, it causes problems so they make the PNMs think they have to attend them all or they will get, at the least, ostracized. And they should. We all know that the ones you love on Day 1 are not necessarily those you love on Day 3. But reality and perception are two different things.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 09-04-2011, 10:35 PM
violetpretty violetpretty is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: A state with a North-South identity crisis
Posts: 3,213
Perhaps PNMs are strongly encouraged to attend all parties because you don't want to blow your QA eligibility early on in the game by ditching a party. You might be in a situation where you do like all three chapters and rank them all, but you can't be a QA if you ditched a round 2 party.
__________________
Sigma Kappa
~*~ Beta Zeta ~*~
MARYLAND
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 09-04-2011, 11:23 PM
psusue psusue is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by DGTess View Post
A closer analogy to what I'm seeing is everyone on my street having an open house on the same day, and inviting everyone in the neighborhood. There are some who don't want to come to my house, or to my neighbor's house, but want to visit everyone else. Why should that person have to visit the homes s/he doesn't want to? Seems to me that rush is the same way. Just because there are 8 time slots for parties and someone gets invitations to 8 parties, why must she go to all 8? Wouldn't "mutual" selection dictate that both sides get to "cut"?

The thing is, the way the system works is some people put in a bid on some of the houses in the neighborhood, and so the sellers take them off the market because they are likely to be sold soon. Then, there are less houses on the market for sale, but the potential new homeowner still wants to 'live in that neighborhood' so she has to visit the houses that didn't overwhelm her with joy at first, because she still wants to live there. Note, she does not have to live in that neighborhood, and can go elsewhere at any time. But if she wants to buy a house in that community, she will follow their rules. It is to make sure all the houses get sold, in effect, and that more people can become homeowners.

Obviously this is not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea. It's to maximize placement. Often young women will think that they are above a certain chapter and because recruitment is such a stressful and first impressions based time that PNMs often make snap decisions not knowing all the facts. The reason RFM works the way it does it to give that young woman a little more time (and a little more information) on which to base that decision, because for whatever reason that PNM may have not wowed the sorority that she had originally favored. There can be mistakes made on both sides (bad first impressions, etc), but mostly, the system works. And now more women are getting placed in homes, so overall it seems to be working the way it was intended to, even if it isn't perfect.
__________________
sigma sigma sigma
beta upsilon
ever true
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 09-04-2011, 11:29 PM
ElieM ElieM is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 419
I thought with RFM, if you made it to pref, you weren't taking anyone's spot - that there were spots for all
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 09-04-2011, 11:36 PM
Titchou Titchou is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 3,914
There are...it's just an excuse to keep from admiting the truth...
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 09-05-2011, 12:18 AM
Drolefille Drolefille is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 13,655
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titchou View Post
I haven't heard of one that does. If they do release her from recruitment for failure to accept an invitation they should be reported to their NPC Area Adviser.

So obviously, she can decline to attend if they have to say what to do with her at bid matching.
Talking invites here, not bids/MRAA etc.

From the Green book: (Page 83, 15th addition)
Quote:
What Every Potential New Member Needs to Know About Recruitment
 The College Panhellenic has information available that tells you what to expect during
recruitment (schedule, what to wear, etc.).
 It is permissible to ask questions when you do not understand.
 Some events will have more potential new members in attendance than others, and this is
no reflection on a chapter.
 You must attend all events for which you receive an invitation.
 Failure to attend an event may jeopardize your ability to receive invitations.

 Being a legacy of a group does not ensure membership in that group.
 Accurate financial information regarding membership is given by Panhellenic in a cost range
unless the individual groups provide specific chapter information to you.
 Good scholarship is important to all groups within Panhellenic.
 All NPC groups have policies against hazing.
 No chapter member may promise or imply the promise of a bid.
 You are expected to act politely and respectfully when attending an event.
 You should expect to be treated politely and with respect.
 Every woman attending a preference event must appear on that fraternity’s bid list, but this
does not ensure an invitation to join that particular fraternity, because recruitment is a
mutual selection process.
 You must be certain you understand the MRABA that you will be expected to sign
immediately after attending the last preference event.
Doesn't seem to be any reason to report anyone. Where are you getting that?
__________________
From the SigmaTo the K!
Polyamorous, Pansexual and Proud of it!
It Gets Better

Last edited by Drolefille; 09-05-2011 at 12:21 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 09-05-2011, 12:48 AM
Splash Splash is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 365
My $0.02...

At my school, if you skip a party, you are released from recruitment.

I understand that it doesn't seem like mutual selection if a PNM can't cut, but the chances of her being happy if she gives her lower ranked groups another shot with an open mind are significant, I think.

I think if she is going to for sure decline the bid, she should suicide, because it is taking a spot from another girl.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 09-05-2011, 01:14 AM
DeltaBetaBaby DeltaBetaBaby is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: ILL-INI
Posts: 7,176
Send a message via AIM to DeltaBetaBaby
Nobody has brought up the other side of the equation, though.

Under RFM, chapters are also STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to issue the number of invites allowed them under RFM. If chapters under-invite, I believe the GL office is supposed to notify the national organization.

Now, I don't think chapters are required to have a bid list of a certain length, but in the early stages, chapters may be taking a second look at PNM's who didn't excite them at first if their dream girls don't choose to return.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 09-05-2011, 01:28 AM
thetalady's Avatar
thetalady thetalady is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Big D
Posts: 2,607
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElieM View Post
I thought with RFM, if you made it to pref, you weren't taking anyone's spot - that there were spots for all
There are "spots" i.e. bids, for all girls who go to pref... but those spots may or may not be with the chapters that they want to join or will accept a bid from.
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 09-05-2011, 07:42 AM
Titchou Titchou is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 3,914
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drolefille View Post
Talking invites here, not bids/MRAA etc.

From the Green book: (Page 83, 15th addition)

Doesn't seem to be any reason to report anyone. Where are you getting that?
It says may. It doesn't say that you will be released from recruitment nor that it is required that you be released. Again, if they are doing that, the AA should know about it. What's wrong with doing that?
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 09-05-2011, 08:15 AM
SWTXBelle's Avatar
SWTXBelle SWTXBelle is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Land of Chaos
Posts: 8,928
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titchou View Post
It says may. It doesn't say that you will be released from recruitment nor that it is required that you be released. Again, if they are doing that, the AA should know about it. What's wrong with doing that?
Why would you report something which isn't against the rules?

The reason to require pnms to attend all parties is to do all you can to enable them to make an informed decision. Chapters cannot cut pnms without meeting them at first round parties - they need to make an informed decision. Same with the pnms - and we all know of pnms who changed their minds about a chapter over the course of recruitment.
__________________
Gamma Phi Beta
Courtesy is owed, respect is earned, love is given.
Proud daughter AND mother of a Gamma Phi. 3 generations of love, labor, learning and loyalty.

Last edited by SWTXBelle; 09-05-2011 at 08:18 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 09-05-2011, 09:00 AM
Titchou Titchou is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 3,914
I give..whatever...let them just release whomever they want for whatever reason they want. No need to question anything.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 09-05-2011, 10:40 AM
Drolefille Drolefille is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 13,655
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titchou View Post
I give..whatever...let them just release whomever they want for whatever reason they want. No need to question anything.
It's perfectly 'legal' to release them. This isn't a "no need to question anything" situation. The process is overseen throughout. Because it says "may" it means that a campus "may" enact those rules. A later section of the green book provides sample rules for recruitment including:
For Chapters
Quote:
FSR, PSR, MSR: A woman shall attend orientation and membership recruitment events to which she has accepted invitations. In case of illness or an emergency, the woman shall notify the Panhellenic and/or her recruitment counselor. The Panhellenic and/or the recruitment counselor will then notify the chapters involved.
For PNMs
Quote:
FSR, PSR: A woman shall attend orientation and all parties to which she has accepted
invitations. In the event of illness or emergency, she should notify Panhellenic and/or her
recruitment counselor if she cannot attend.
Although this doesn't list the consequences, the previous bit did. I'm confused why you're assuming it's wrong and should be reported just in case, when it's really not uncommon on campuses in general AFAIK, and is permitted- although not necessarily required - by the manual.
__________________
From the SigmaTo the K!
Polyamorous, Pansexual and Proud of it!
It Gets Better
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 09-05-2011, 11:17 AM
33girl 33girl is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hotel Oceanview
Posts: 33,360
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby View Post
Nobody has brought up the other side of the equation, though.

Under RFM, chapters are also STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to issue the number of invites allowed them under RFM. If chapters under-invite, I believe the GL office is supposed to notify the national organization.
I was going to bring it up. As much as it may suck for the PNM to have to attend a party that she doesn't like, it sucks a HELL of a lot more for the sorority to be buffaloed into asking back women whose presence at a party could turn off the PNMs they DO want. Especially when the Rho Chis (and people on here) keep saying things like "look around at the other rushees! Those will be your pledge sisters!" I'm glad no one ever said that to me or I might have made really horrendous decisions.
__________________
It is all 33girl's fault. ~DrPhil
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
D.C. US Attorney "taking it to the streets." Wolfman Omega Psi Phi 0 08-22-2010 05:44 PM
Sorors Taking on the "Old Boy Network" AKA2D '91 Alpha Kappa Alpha 1 10-07-2003 11:14 AM
"An accused child pornographer shoves a former crack dealer out of the #1 spot..." AKA2D '91 Alpha Kappa Alpha 142 02-27-2003 08:49 AM
Why are we taking this $h*t from "Master Charlies" BET network?...psuedo-step showT Blueknowledge Phi Beta Sigma 1 05-03-2002 11:14 PM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.