Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by jlenoconel

Well, its kind of ridiculous! You won't find me kissing anyone's feet to get into a fraternity. I object to heterosexuality, its immoral and not in the scope of what I find acceptable in my little cliques! Oh please, someone's sexuality is their business. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they don't have the same interests as you do. Stuck up, egotistical idiots!

Do you need a hug?

[KSUViolet06]

You know, you calling someone a "stuck up egotistical idiot" is just the same as people saying inflammatory things about your sexuality.

[couggirl]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

That's what a lot of men in elite southern fraternities think. Emphasis on think. You may be surprised what you find out after graduation.

Speaking from experience here.

I am not sure why the OP was thinking me because I told me story in response to this post.

I was trying to make the point that you can think some one is something (in this case straigt) and be totally wrong. And if you treat people differntly because they are, in this case gay, you are being a totaly jerk because you might not know who is gay and who isn't and by treating people one way because you know they are, in this case, gay then you are a hypocrite and should not go around saying how you are not going to be friends with some one who is gay, because you might not even know.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

We don't have gays in our fraternity. It's not because we hate gays. They're just different than us. When rushing we seek out young men who have similar interests, goals, and morals as we do; homosexuality doesn't fall in that scope.

I know plenty of gay people, they're nice to me and I am nice to them in return. That said, I'm not friends with any of them, mostly for the same reasons I wouldn't rush any of them.

You can do a search. I think I said basically the same thing on here a few years ago. I figured my chapter would never have gays in it for basically the same reasons you espoused here.

I was wrong.

In fact, one of my fellow founders recently came out. It's hard to see it from where you are right now, but give it 10 years. The chances of your having homosexuals in your chapter [closeted] are better than you think. One of our actives even came out recently. I can't say I have a problem with it. He and the above-mentioned alumnus are real credits to my chapter. I'm proud to call them brothers.

[PANTHERTEKE]

I really don't see a problem with having gay guys in a chapter as long as they fit in. Emphasis on that last part.

Would we extend a bid to a flamboyant homosexual with pink hair and a rainbow t-shirt? No, because he wouldn't fit in with our chapter.

However, if a young man has things in common with our chapter, has something to offer to the Fraternity, and doesn't let his homosexuality define who he is as a person, then I don't see why anyone would deny him a bid.

We have an openly gay brother in my chapter. Granted, he isn't flamboyant and doesn't let his homosexuality define who he is-- many people are surprised when they find out he's gay. And although he might get teased about it sometimes (but honestly, everyone in my chapter gets teased about SOMETHING), at the end of the day we love him just as much as we love any other brother.

In fact, he was diagnosed with cancer recently. He went out of the country to get treated and came back tonight for a brotherhood event, and when everyone saw him we all went up to him, hugged him, and told him how we had missed him. He's an awesome brother and has given a lot to our fraternity.

Sorry to have gotten sidetracked, but what I'm basically saying is the following: if a guy fits in with the chapter, gets along well with the actives, has something to offer, and wants to be a part of the Fraternity (whether he's straight or gay) then it shouldn't be a problem.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

You know, you calling someone a "stuck up egotistical idiot" is just the same as people saying inflammatory things about your sexuality.

Not really.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Not really.

Homophobia is much more harmful than thinking that Greeks are idiots.

[Zillini]

I view this situation in regards to membership selection very similar to religious differences. My GLO was founded on Christian principles way back when. But we do not discriminate against someone who is not a Christian. Actually we don't even bother to ask. Our selection is based solely on the character, interests, values and personality that a person has. If they are a good fit, then we want them as a member. It doesn't matter if they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, atheist, etc. I believe the same should apply to sexual orientation.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by rufio

the only real problem is that nobody likes his movie selections on porn n' chicken night.

LOL!

[starang21]

i wouldn't vote a gay dude into my fraternity.

[Tom Earp]

I find it rather amusing of some of the posts here.

I cannot remember the title of a book sent to me by a Brother of LXA who sent it to me as I passed it along to a fellow Brother to read.

It is stories of gays in many GLOs not just one or two but many more.

I have what I consider several good friends and Brothers not only my chapter but others who have been important members of our chapters and our alumni members.

You may not know if there are gays or not, so do not speak out of turn unless you know them or who they are and how they feel.

They are still fine people who love the same ideals and principles as you beleive in within your own organizations.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

That's what a lot of men in elite southern fraternities think. Emphasis on think. You may be surprised what you find out after graduation.

Cosign.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I cannot remember the title of a book sent to me by a Brother of LXA who sent it to me as I passed it along to a fellow Brother to read.

It is stories of gays in many GLOs not just one or two but many more.

Probably Out on Fraternity Row.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jlenoconel

Well, its kind of ridiculous! You won't find me kissing anyone's feet to get into a fraternity. I object to heterosexuality, its immoral and not in the scope of what I find acceptable in my little cliques! Oh please, someone's sexuality is their business. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they don't have the same interests as you do. Stuck up, egotistical idiots!

Listen. You came in and started the thread jackass.

Nobody is acting like an egotistical idiot. My response to you was perfectly rational as was Elephant Walks. Don't ask a question like that out in the open and then bitch about people's responses.

[jlenoconel]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I really don't see a problem with having gay guys in a chapter as long as they fit in. Emphasis on that last part.

Would we extend a bid to a flamboyant homosexual with pink hair and a rainbow t-shirt? No, because he wouldn't fit in with our chapter.

However, if a young man has things in common with our chapter, has something to offer to the Fraternity, and doesn't let his homosexuality define who he is as a person, then I don't see why anyone would deny him a bid.

We have an openly gay brother in my chapter. Granted, he isn't flamboyant and doesn't let his homosexuality define who he is-- many people are surprised when they find out he's gay. And although he might get teased about it sometimes (but honestly, everyone in my chapter gets teased about SOMETHING), at the end of the day we love him just as much as we love any other brother.

In fact, he was diagnosed with cancer recently. He went out of the country to get treated and came back tonight for our Senior Roast, and when everyone saw him we all went up to him, hugged him, and told him how we had missed him. He's an awesome brother and has given a lot to our fraternity.

Sorry to have gotten sidetracked, but what I'm basically saying is the following: if a guy fits in with the chapter, gets along well with the actives, has something to offer, and wants to be a part of the Fraternity (whether he's straight or gay) then it shouldn't be a problem.

I bsically agree with everything you just said. Someone's sexuality shouldn't define them, and I agree that a flamboyant gay man would probably not fit into a fraternity simply for the fact that the brothers would have little in common.

[SECdomination]

For the sake of discussion, I have to disagree with several of you.

To me, the worst part about being gay isn't the whole taking it up the butt thing (which I find pretty terrible in itself- exit only!). It's the fact that I find it so immoral and gays don't. What else do they find acceptable that I believe is completely appalling?
I would struggle to overcome their general viewpoints in order to be their friend.