"New" Pledge from C.O.B.

[Joe Nobody102]

Originally posted by AXO Alum:
Not with your attitude & language, no!

I thought it was a relatively lucid post.

I can appreciate seeing the beauty within, but wearing ratty clothes to a job interview won't get you very far!

Absolutely not, I agree. The point is, a sorority and a job interview are completely different. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Yes, a company looks at appearance as well as ability, but a GLO shouldn't be concerned with appearance and professionalism nearly as much as a big corporation with a public image to protect. What public image does a sorority have to protect? The image that college age 18-22 year olds have? With corporations, priority 1 is image, priority 2 is ability. With a sorority, if you keep those same priorities, what do you have? A bunch of eye candy with no real agenda to further a cause. And then where will you be?

As for wearing whites, blacks, blues, greens, etc, why do you even care? You aren't in a sorority/fraternity for women so leave us be!

So males are not allowed to participate in female-oriented discussions in order to gain understanding into the femail Greek experience? I thought my post made a farily lucid point, but I digress.

You obviously weren't posting in peace while trying to learn like the majority of us on here do!

How so? Not an attack; merely a question.

We're super happy that you don't care about image - now go have a sprite!

I can't tell if dealing with you is hard because you're angry at my alleged posting of "secrets", or if it's just because you're some stuck-up sorority girl trying to vainly relive her glory days vicariously through undergraduates.

You probably should have gotten hazed more.

[Joe Nobody102]

Oops..

femail = female

in my post above.

How embarrasing from a state spelling-bee champion, huh?

[ZChi4Life]

The point is, a sorority and a job interview are completely different. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Yes, a company looks at appearance as well as ability, but a GLO shouldn't be concerned with appearance and professionalism nearly as much as a big corporation with a public image to protect.

Joe,
I don't know what kind of fraternity you're in but in MY sorority, we treat our process like business. From the time a girl is pinned in our sorority until the time she becomes an official member and after, everything is treated as business. Sure we have our fun moments, but when it comes to learning about our sorority, it is business. It is NOTHING to be taken lightly. My sisters and I do not take giving away our traditions, etc like it is just random a** info. Therefore, it is very important that the women we select will be able to handle dealing w/ our business. Of course we realize we are in college and we're going to have fun. That's a PART of college. The other part is taking care of business: getting good grades and trying to graduate so that you can get a good job. Therefore, in my sorority, we believe that it's important to help each other prepare for the other part of what college is about and that's succeeding in and out of college.
Also, if you didn't know, there are many sororities out there that are incorporated (Inc.), mine included. That means they run their sororities similar to that of a corporation. So while you may think that a sorority and a job interview are not related, I beg to differ. Many sororities conduct interviews during the Rush process. Therefore, becoming a part of a sorority (especially one that is incorporated) is very much like going on a job interview. In that case, the women will have to dress as if they are applying for a job. With my sorority, because we function like a corporation/business, we look for women that can handle business and who will truly WORK for the sorority while in college and as an alum.
It's important for an interested lady to look her best during this time. I mean, who wants to give the impression that they are sloppy, aren't clean, or whatever else by the way they're dressed? A woman wouldn't get a job working for any corp that way and she wouldn't get into my sorority that way either. That's just the bottom line.

[This message has been edited by ZChi4Life (edited October 02, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by ZChi4Life (edited October 02, 2000).]

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by Joe Nobody102:
I can't tell if dealing with you is hard because you're angry at my alleged posting of "secrets", or if it's just because you're some stuck-up sorority girl trying to vainly relive her glory days vicariously through undergraduates.

You probably should have gotten hazed more.

Thanks for my laugh of the day! As for being hazed more - I wasn't hazed AT ALL. PERIOD! So maybe you shouldn't have been hazed and shouldn't be hazing now...just an assumption I'm making seeing as how you felt the need to assume I had been hazed!

As for the secrets - your name says it all. You are a nobody with no real secrets about any group (which have been backed up by several sources).

As for my being some stuck-up sorority girl...I consider it a compliment coming from someone like you who has utter disregard for the rituals of GLO's.

I am not hard to "deal" with - check my other posts - if I disagree with someone, I make my point...HOWEVER - most people on this board don't post using the language you use and trying to be insulting.

I know so many sorority girls that are so **** phony and don't give a *** about the sisterhood at all.

And I know so many frat boys that are phony and don't give a *** about the brotherhood at all. Please go find somewhere else to be a pest - you have heard all you "need" to know here. You say you look for hardworking brothers yet you try to insult me by saying I'm "trying to vainly relive her glory days vicariously through undergraduates" - why don't you think about the fact that I love AXO and I'm an active alum because strong alums make a strong chapter!

By the way - what frat are you "associated" with? Or are you really greek at all???

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"Alpha Chi Omega - If you only had 2 wishes, what would your second one be?"

[Joe Nobody102]

Originally posted by AXO Alum:
As for my being some stuck-up sorority girl...I consider it a compliment

Wow. Never thought I'd actually see that written in all seriousness. Especially not from someone who's not an undergrad.

coming from someone like you who has utter disregard for the rituals of GLO's.

I respect ritual -- just not everyone else's. Sorry.

I am not hard to "deal" with - check my other posts - if I disagree with someone, I make my point...HOWEVER - most people on this board don't post using the language you use and trying to be insulting.

My original post to you was in no way insulting -- I was really irked and couldn't understand what the point of the discussion was, so I inquired. It was not an attack on you, it was a direct inquiry into the attitude of sorority girls. ZChi4Life was nice enough to shed some light on the subject, and I am greatly in debt to her for that. Just because you got offended doesn't mean it was done on purpose.

And by the way, just because someone uses the word '****' or '***', doesn't mean that,

a.) they are trying to insult you
b.) they are a bad person
c.) their views should be ignored.

You may not like those words, but ***damn, that's the beauty of free speech.

And I know so many frat boys that are phony and don't give a *** about the brotherhood at all.

Is this directed at me? If it is, what exactly is your basis for saying I don't give a **** about my brotherhood at all?

Please go find somewhere else to be a pest - you have heard all you "need" to know here.

Maybe. Maybe not.

You say you look for hardworking brothers yet you try to insult me by saying I'm "trying to vainly relive her glory days vicariously through undergraduates"

Those two things have nothing to do with each other. I can look for hardworking brothers, and at the same time, point out that you are trying to vainly relive your glory days vicariously through undergraduates.

Extreme analagous statement: "You say you want to write a book, but dammit, YOU EAT PEANUT BUTTER!"

See the silliness of your statement?

why don't you think about the fact that I love AXO and I'm an active alum because strong alums make a strong chapter!

I thought about this, but just couldn't seem to bring myself to care about it.

By the way - what frat are you "associated" with? Or are you really greek at all???

<sigh>

Yes, I am Greek. No, I'm not an associate. Yes, I am initiated. No, it's not some ****** non-social fraternity, like the "band fraternity," or the "fraternity for management majors" or the "fraternity for married and/or divorced people" or the "fraternity for people with a cat" or the "fraternity for people who learned to tie their shoes before age 7." It's a national, social, collegiate fraternity. No, I don't post rituals because I didn't get bids at those houses. Yes, I care deeply for our ritual. No, I don't give a **** about everyone else's ritual.

[This message has been edited by PnguinTrax (edited October 04, 2000).]

[lluvmook98]

Why must people be so nasty?

The first thing is RESPECT. Joenobody you have been rude but then you wonder why people have a negative reaction to you.

Secondly, you said that for most businesses ability is second and for sororities it needs to be first. Being that I am in a sorority, I think that both focus on ability and appearance at the same time. As most people know "you only get one chance to make a first impression". Whether it is right or not that is how it is. As people, we are more comfortable with those of use who appear to take care of themselves. The belief is that if you'll take care of you, then your business will also be in order.

As far as sororities being petty when it comes to appearance, rituals are important. If you knew anything about culture (which sororities and fraternities are deeply rich in)you would know that garments and style have varying and significant meaning. For many org. being dressed alike is important for unity, organization (not cluttered), and newness. Don't knock it until you know it. You are just mean to say that you don't respect other people's rituals. You don't have to care about them but you should respect them. That is the problem with most people in this world. They don't want to give respect but they want it. I personally like the fact that we (in my org.) expect a standard. NO one says that looking "shabby" means that you are not capable but when you are out representing your org. people won't say "wait let's not have an opinion of him until he speaks" they'll (fairly or unfairly) formulate an opinion upon seeing you. That is just the world. The only way to get along may not be to like each other but at least respect each other. We can't want our opinion fairly considered but then not consider others.

Before you get upset think about it. I KNOW it has to make some type of sense.

[Microbiomajor]

I just wanted to make a quick note: when sororities talk about wearing 'whites' it is during ritual with women they have already selected. I know that discussion has strayed from the original question to appearance in general, but I wanted to make this clarification.

2nd note: No one should ever be hazed in the first place. Maybe fraternities still have that problem, but I can speak for my school in that our sororities are very anti-hazing and I was treated with nothing but love and respect (and showered with gifts!) during my pledgeship, and I hope every other women has the same experience!

[PenguinTrax]

Since this topic has digressed so far from the original posting (ie. what do I wear for ritual when the attire is specified as 'whites')and has become insulting and offensive to some members of this forum, I am closing the topic.

If the use of profanity was not intended to be understood as literal, I see little sense in using it.

I cannot phathom why an initiated Greek member would respect their own ritual, but noone else's. Mine is not to reason why, BUT if you cannot show proper respect for your fellow Greeks, well, I regret your lack of understanding.

In addition - there are no "real" Greeks and "fake" greeks (ie. professional fraternities). There are just Greeks. I'm sure that many years ago when all of our organizations were started, they were either welcomed or looked down upon. That does not give us the right to belittle members of organizations to which we do not belong.