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Old 05-14-2004, 01:45 PM
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Only (inter)national GLOs allowed

My understanding is that The University of Kentucky only allows (recognizes) (inter)national fraternities and sororities.

A chapter does not have to be a member of NIC (IFC), NPHC, NPC or NALFO; however, they do have to have some sort of (inter)national organization - i.e. governing board or council. In other words, no "local" GLOs allowed at UK.

Do any other campuses have similar restrictions or requirements?


My guess is that the UK Administration does so now for risk management purposes. But frankly, other than GLOs and clubs that became chapters back in the early 1900's, I don't recall any "locals" ever being on campus. Perhaps AchtungBaby80, GtownGirl98, TigerLilly, or UKDaisy can confirm or may have more information.

FYI: Four recognized chapters at UK are not a member of either NIC, NPHC, NALFO or NPC.

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Ceres
Phi Sigma Rho

Fraternities
Kappa Sigma
Phi Delta Theta

Both Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta withdrew from the IFC. And to my knowledge, Ceres and Phi Sigma Rho were never part of NPC or any other similar governing body.

Edited to add NALFO to list of national associations and to correct IFC to NIC.

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Old 05-14-2004, 01:51 PM
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My guess is it might have to do with insurance. Most locals don't get it right away but organizations with at least several chapters regardless of whether they belong to NPC/NIC/NPHC/NALFO (am I leaving any out) usually have insurance.
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Old 05-14-2004, 01:55 PM
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Insurance is a part, but not the only part. Many administrations want a partner in oversight. Its always most difficult to go it alone.

Also, locals lack the resources to change, so when reform is needed, locals rarely do so.
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Old 05-14-2004, 06:06 PM
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Russ is so right on.

With Rish managemet Insurance cost climbing like wild ivey up the hallowed halls, there is a problem bringing onto Campus an Organization that is not fully vested via some sort of Insurance. Ergo an International (National) Greek Organization.

I always hate to Bring Up Shorter Colege in Rome Ga. that were all locals but they are the newest. The Adm. decided they while liking Greeks, they wanted Nationals (Inter) simply for the fact that there would be a stronger hand taken for Hazing Restrictions.

Nationals also have the people who do Chapter Visitations to check on them, the data base to see what the Grades are, What Organizations on campus that their participating in, or even sports. Why, because most feel it is good to have a well rounded member of Their Organizatin who will reresent them in a positive mode.

As Russ said, in many cases, the Locals are reluctent to change from the day to day business of running or hazing, that has cause many problems.

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Old 05-14-2004, 08:47 PM
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ITs about control. Not only do admins want nationals they prefer larger nationals. They know that if a group witb 200 chapters has a chapter with a problem they won't hesistate to yank its charter.

Some of the smaller groups aren't as quick to do it. And locals don't have to do it at all.

There are less ways to control Local groups.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:20 PM
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Just so I'm not confused...

Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta are no longer part of the national IFC and not just on UK?

I've heard of Ceres but not Phi Sigma Rho.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:54 PM
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i think that Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta withdrew from the NIC, not IFC.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:57 PM
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bout the Fraternity Leadership Association

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Just so I'm not confused...

Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta are no longer part of the national IFC and not just on UK?
. . .
OK, there is a new-this-year "trade association" for fraternities, the Fraternity Leadership Association. The founding members are Delta Kappa Epsilon. Kappa Sigma, Sigma Alpha Epsilon, Sigma Pi, and Phi Sigma Kappa, according to a news release on Kappa SIgma's web site --

http://www.kappasigma.org/php-bin/ne...a5187385886ecb

Time will tell whether this new association is viable and valuable, I suppose.

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Old 05-15-2004, 09:09 AM
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Just so I'm not confused...

Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta are no longer part of the national IFC and not just on UK?

I've heard of Ceres but not Phi Sigma Rho.
Founded in 1984 at Purdue University, Phi Sigma Rho is a national social sorority for women in engineering and engineering technology. They have 17 chapters and colonies. http://www.phisigmarho.org/ A member used to post on GC but I havenít seen her around lately.
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Old 05-15-2004, 09:42 AM
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That's nice that UK has that rule. I'm sure it's for insurance and risk management purposes. However, a public institution really can't say who can and cannot affiliate with the school. If the satanist society wants to be school recognized, I really don't see any reason the school can decide not to recognize them.

Now, as for giving funds to that organization, that may be another story
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Old 05-15-2004, 11:51 AM
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Re: Only (inter)national GLOs allowed

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Ceres
Phi Sigma Rho
Neither of these sororities are social sororities. Ceres is agriculturally based fraternity & Phi Sigma Rho is for engineering students. This is why they are allowed UK campus.

I don't know about Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta though.
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Old 05-15-2004, 11:57 AM
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That's nice that UK has that rule. I'm sure it's for insurance and risk management purposes. However, a public institution really can't say who can and cannot affiliate with the school. If the satanist society wants to be school recognized, I really don't see any reason the school can decide not to recognize them.

Now, as for giving funds to that organization, that may be another story
Like you were saying...can a public institution really ban local GLOs? Not to burst your bubble, TSteven, but I can't find anything in UK's student organization bylaws or Panhellenic Council bylaws (didn't look in IFC's) that sounds like a ban on local GLOs. Can anyone name other colleges that have this rule? I agree I can see why university administrations would prefer to have GLOs with some kind of governing body above the university level, but can they really ban ones that don't have that? Or just "strongly discourage" them?
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Old 05-15-2004, 12:51 PM
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Re: Re: Only (inter)national GLOs allowed

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I don't know about Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta though.
They're still national fraternities, they just don't belong to th NIC anymore. It has nothing to do with their national status.

oh and incidentally, IFC = Inter Fraternity Council and NIC = North American Interfraternity Council. It's the same organization, only called one thing at the school and another overall.

The school can refuse to recognize Greeks that don't have some sort of national backing, but they can do NOTHING to prevent students from joining them, unless they put it in the student code that everyone signs, and I doubt that would ever hold up if challenged as it conflicts with the freedom of association act. The only schools that can get away with disallowing students to join unrecognized groups are those that take no federal funds.
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Old 05-15-2004, 01:51 PM
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The University of Wisconsin has a similar rule.

We did have locals at one point -- the chemistry fraternity Alpha Chi Sigma was founded here and later went national, and looking at the old yearbooks confirms that local sororities and fraternities were a part of the campus culture in the 1920s and 30s. I'm not sure when the new rule took effect.

As ktsnake points out, technically a public university can't keep a local GLO from existing -- but without university/Greek system recognition, I would be very surprised if a local could survive, let alone thrive, here. The campus is relatively anti-Greek so without campus support OR support from the Greek system, I imagine a local would be short-lived.
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Old 05-15-2004, 02:00 PM
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Re: Re: Only (inter)national GLOs allowed

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Neither of these sororities are social sororities. Ceres is agriculturally based fraternity & Phi Sigma Rho is for engineering students. This is why they are allowed UK campus.
Both Ceres and Phi Sigma Rho are "social" in nature and members of UK's Panhellenic Council.

Ceres is similar to Alpha Gamma Sigma, Alpha Gamma Rho and FarmHouse - all three social fraternities and members of NIC - in that it is a women's fraternity with an interest in agriculture.

Ceres was formed at a FarmHouse conclave out of FarmHouse's little sister program as their own social group separate of FarmHouse.

From the Phi Sigma Rho web site at UK. "Phi Sigma Rho is a national social sorority for females in engineering and technical fields."

This is similar to Triangle Fraternity in that Triangle is a social fraternity, a member of NIC, with a majority of the members having an interest in engineering, architecture and science.
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