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06-10-2020, 03:11 PM
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Vincennes University in Indiana is a 2 year school (with a very few 4 year degree offerings) and they have local sororities and fraternities. Somehow those seem to do fine even with a 2-year turnover. Maybe due to Vincennes being somewhat residential.
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This is another thought I had as to why this task force was created. Are local groups forming at the CCs, the CCs are worried about risk management, and they want national groups to help shoulder the burden?
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06-10-2020, 04:30 PM
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At one college where I taught (many of you know which one), the school forced the locals to nationalize. I expect it was due to liability issues, which were so bad that I really don't know why no one was seriously injured.
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06-11-2020, 12:46 AM
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Vincennes University in Indiana is a 2 year school (with a very few 4 year degree offerings) and they have local sororities and fraternities. Somehow those seem to do fine even with a 2-year turnover. Maybe due to Vincennes being somewhat residential.
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Vincennes University is an anomaly with a unique history. I wouldn't hold that institution up as an example compared to the typical 2-year community colleges found across the U.S.
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06-11-2020, 03:45 PM
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Vincennes University is an anomaly with a unique history. I wouldn't hold that institution up as an example compared to the typical 2-year community colleges found across the U.S.
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Vincennes has been offering Bachelor Degrees since 2005, so may be allowable under today's rules of expansion. Vincennes first dormitory was in 1968.
There are a few other schools that currently or formerly had dorms while only offering 2 year programs.
Richard Bland College which is a two year that is part of the William and Mary System has dormitories, so that would fall into that group and UVA -Wise (which used to be Clinch Valley College) fell into that group prior to becoming a 4 year school.
Southwestern Oregon Community College currently falls into that group.
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06-11-2020, 10:45 PM
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Texas 2 years that would qualify
- Blinn College in Brenham
- Kilgore College
- Tyler Junior College
- Navarro College
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06-12-2020, 08:47 AM
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There are a few other schools that currently or formerly had dorms while only offering 2 year programs.
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There's Sullivan County Community College, part of the SUNY system. I learned about that one from watching the documentary "Three Identical Strangers." Two of the three triplets went to school there.
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06-12-2020, 02:42 PM
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- Blinn College in Brenham
- Kilgore College
- Tyler Junior College
- Navarro College
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Maybe Jacksonville College too? Texas State Technical College?
I feel like Texas has a bunch of what I would call "little hybrids" that would fall under this model. They have 2 year and 4 year degrees, and many have residential life/dorms.
Sidebar - have you watched "Cheer" on Netflix about Navarro College? Sooo good.
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06-13-2020, 08:02 PM
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Maybe Jacksonville College too? Texas State Technical College?
I feel like Texas has a bunch of what I would call "little hybrids" that would fall under this model. They have 2 year and 4 year degrees, and many have residential life/dorms.
Sidebar - have you watched "Cheer" on Netflix about Navarro College? Sooo good.
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06-13-2020, 09:12 PM
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06-14-2020, 01:18 AM
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Do you mean they get a bachelor’s degree?
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Yup, this is becoming more and more a thing at community colleges and I expect we'll only see it continue to expand with the realities of COVID. My local community college has two bachelors degrees on offer, both pretty new programs.
https://www.austincc.edu/news/2019/0...te-bsn-program
https://www.austincc.edu/news/2019/0...ee-spring-2020
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Here in Texas, we have 2 programs that accept community college students. The one at Texas A&M is called Blinn Team and the one at the University of Texas is called PACE. Students attend CC + 1 class at the main university for Freshman year and are guaranteed admission if they attain a certain GPA, which I think is about a 3.2-3.5. I believe they are limited to certain majors, such as Communications, Education, Liberal Arts, and Social Work. Most of the sororities accept these transfer students although, if I am being honest, they are not usually at the top of their lists. Most of these students were of the caliber of wait list students at major universities which, in Texas, are those that were not in the top 10-15% of their graduating classes. This is clearly difficult for those that attend high-performing suburban high schools with high academic standards which, in every other state, would be sought after students by your state universities. That is why so many of our top students attend out-of-state universities, such as Oklahoma, Missouri, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, and Arkansas.
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That's pretty accurate about PACE, but remember right now automatic admission to UT is top 6% of your high school class. You can be top 7% and not get in. I can't speak to sorority recruitment but there are some out of this world PACE students from an academic standpoint.
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This is another thought I had as to why this task force was created. Are local groups forming at the CCs, the CCs are worried about risk management, and they want national groups to help shoulder the burden?
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Something kind of like that is happening with fraternities at UT. (UT chapters underground pledging community college students.) Not with sororities though.
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08-05-2020, 10:55 AM
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Subscribing to this thread. This is fascinating to me and I think it really needs to be looked at hard if trends with virtual degrees and push back on exclusivity of Greek life continues. We may need more city based organizations like NPHC groups. Would definitely help for alumnae engagement.
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08-05-2020, 02:49 PM
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Here in Texas, we have 2 programs that accept community college students. The one at Texas A&M is called Blinn Team and the one at the University of Texas is called PACE. Students attend CC + 1 class at the main university for Freshman year and are guaranteed admission if they attain a certain GPA, which I think is about a 3.2-3.5. I believe they are limited to certain majors, such as Communications, Education, Liberal Arts, and Social Work. Most of the sororities accept these transfer students although, if I am being honest, they are not usually at the top of their lists. Most of these students were of the caliber of wait list students at major universities which, in Texas, are those that were not in the top 10-15% of their graduating classes. This is clearly difficult for those that attend high-performing suburban high schools with high academic standards which, in every other state, would be sought after students by your state universities. That is why so many of our top students attend out-of-state universities, such as Oklahoma, Missouri, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, and Arkansas.
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This is very true. Depending on your test scores - you can come out of these suburban HS in the top of the 3rd quarter (3.5gpa) - but qualify for near in state tuition at OSU, 'Bama, LSU, Ole Miss. I've written one TAMU reference (For a junior) the rest have been Arkansas, Ole Miss, OSU and Alabama. These High Schools have around 1250/25 average test scores. And that is the average. I think the state average ACT is 20.5.
But also the cost of college has skyrocketed. I found my first college bill cleaning out my mom's things last week. The whole bill, Tuition, Fees, Room and full meal plan was around $1600 in 1985. If you take into account inflation - that would be $3,830. My daughter's bill at a school in the UT system - before we cancelled the apartment for the semester - $10,845 (It's now $7345). That is a HUGE difference in price.
This whole COVID distance learning thing is once again bringing the value of the current college education structure into question.
I don't know what the answer is - but I think that at least in Texas - if the community college has 4 year degrees and a level of student retention, I can see having NPC orgs. But with the understanding that there is no guarantee that you can transfer your affiliation. Just like if I went to Texas State and transfered to UT.
Having pledged at a school without houses, but the houses were built and open by my senior year - I see the pluses of having the "traditional" sorority experience. But I still felt like I was having a full sorority experience before the house was built.
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05-24-2021, 11:06 AM
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Bumping this interesting thread. Has any NPC group voted to expand to CCs should the NPC allow same?
Additionally, today marks the 119th anniversary of the NPC's founding.
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05-24-2021, 09:02 PM
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Here's to 119 years and many more!
I have been looking around the NPC blog and haven't seen anything regarding it. Maybe as colleges reopen they'll look more into it.
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