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Old 01-26-2017, 07:42 PM
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Part of the reason that many girls may not have maximized is because they had three preference options instead of two. Per an RFM training I went to in December put on by NPC, NPC is moving towards two preference options no matter how many chapters a campus has in part because women are much less likely to be happy with receiving a bid from their third choice chapter if they have three choices to list.
Students and parents can't have it both ways. IU changed from bed rush to their current system and added three sororities because people were SCREAMING too many women were being denied a bid. Come to find out all they really wanted was more open membership spaces in the popular houses.

So now NPC might deny that third pref house option on every campus no matter the number of sororities on campus, all in the name of having more women maximize options. How will denying a third pref house to PNMs (especially on a large campus) build-up the size of the smaller/alleged lower tier groups? And what does that say about panhellenic love and working together for the good of all campus NPC groups?

Why not just have a PNM come out and choose ONE house she wants for pref, and skip the niceties of learning to interact with people in a sorority you simply think you cannot stand?
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:48 AM
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Students and parents can't have it both ways. IU changed from bed rush to their current system and added three sororities because people were SCREAMING too many women were being denied a bid. Come to find out all they really wanted was more open membership spaces in the popular houses.

So now NPC might deny that third pref house option on every campus no matter the number of sororities on campus, all in the name of having more women maximize options. How will denying a third pref house to PNMs (especially on a large campus) build-up the size of the smaller/alleged lower tier groups? And what does that say about panhellenic love and working together for the good of all campus NPC groups?

Why not just have a PNM come out and choose ONE house she wants for pref, and skip the niceties of learning to interact with people in a sorority you simply think you cannot stand?
This. all of this. They just wanted more spots in THOSE chapters. Did I mention, I love this post?????
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:04 AM
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^^^ me too.

And, frankly, I'm tired of Indiana. Seems like no one is going to be happy until - what? I don't know. But I suspect Cheerio is hitting the mark on this one.

My statement may not be Panhellenic or PC or whatever. It is my opinion, and you don't have to agree or even respect it (the opinion). I squawked about bed rush. They changed it. Duly noted. Progress! It's not a toggle switch, folks. And further, the popular houses are not going to take every single PNM who wants to be a member. Neither are the unpopular houses. So, the decision is simple for the PNMs, and again, I agree with Cheerio. I can see the rationale behind what clemsongirl shared. Again, I get irritated with the "one size fits all" mentality. It might be a good idea at some campuses, but not at others.
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:33 PM
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Old 01-27-2017, 07:05 PM
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QAs are the women who do not match otherwise and who did not suicide. They are placed by the RFM specialist in chapters with preference to the smaller chapter. It's impossible to get a QA if you didn't make Q. It matters not what Q is as long as the chapter has made their Q. Understand now?
One question mark is sufficient

I guess it just seems odd because the quotas are different and from what I gather not entirely determined by rushee retention or chapter size.
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Old 01-27-2017, 07:12 PM
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This. all of this. They just wanted more spots in THOSE chapters. Did I mention, I love this post?????
Me too.

The other side of the coin that I would have argued at cg's RFM training is that if women are presented with only two options and are unenthused about both they're WAY more likely to not even go to sign their bid card. If there are three that's one more option that can at least get her to bid signing.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:23 PM
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One question mark is sufficient

I guess it just seems odd because the quotas are different and from what I gather not entirely determined by rushee retention or chapter size.
There is only ONE question mark!

Quota has nothing to do with a chapter's retention rate.

Quota has nothing to do with chapter size.

QAs have nothing to do with chapters having different quotas.

QAs have only to do with women who maximize their options, do not match and which chapter would be best to place her in. That's absolutely all it has anything to do with. Forget anything else. All other information is irrelevant....even if you think it should be relevant. Each person and each chapter is handled on an individual basis.
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Old 01-28-2017, 03:15 AM
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They have always had quota, for awhile it was bed quota. Now it's Panhel sets a minimum number and chapters are allowed to go over it, but not intentionally under.
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I know for a fact that while 1,650 PNMs started, only 1,270 ended up at bid matching. And 40% of those women didn't maximize their options on MRABA.
I understand that if you hit quota regardless of what it is etc. you can take QAs and that QAs are mainly for the benefit of rushees so they don't end up bidless. That being said, I guess my real query in this situation (although I took a minute to get to it) is that with the concept of QAs existing as it does, why would you intentionally set a higher quota? Isn't that kind of setting yourself up to flop?

ETA: I think I may have figured out why...so they can snap bid a bunch?

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=22514&page=11
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:20 AM
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Actually, no because the U set the minimum quota (and we are just talking about Indiana here). And if you do the math, 1270 at bid matching divided by 23 groups,which I think is right, comes out to 55 and that's what minimum was. So they nailed it. And the only ones snap bidding are the perceived lower tier groups -except for the odd one here and there. No,you can't count on getting to snap bid. You're better off taking QAs.

The other side of the coin is that it really should have been higher but they know a lot are going to drop out. Only 1270 getting to bid matching is sad.

If you are talking about other schools that totally use RFM, the RFM specialist sets quota - not the school. So that blows your theory out of the water.
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:22 AM
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33, in this thread, we're looking at Indiana.

My understanding from information presented is that Panhellenic set the quota for the chapters prior to recruitment (and ForeverRoses can confirm, as well as other Indiana members here). It was up to the individual chapters to exceed it, if they so chose (so chose sounds horrible when you read it aloud, so please eliminate it from that sentence, dear editor).

Snap bids at Indiana? I don't know. I'm leaving that to our Indiana members to address.

Now, if you are asking about chapters in general, it's still true: quota is set - oh gosh, there are many threads about how quota is set and I understand it but I sure don't want to write the wrong thing here. It's in the Green Book, too.
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:22 AM
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:27 AM
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33 - read the Green Book. There are links here to it. You'll learn a lot.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:02 AM
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This is ONLY about IU

I'm talking about Indiana obviously, not every other school on the planet. No one else sets a minimum quota prior to rush.

Supposedly a couple groups set their quota quite a bit higher than the mandated 55. I'm just confused as to why they would do that. If I'm all wet about this, IU people please let me know.

Another Indiana question: do they have anything resembling a campus total at present?
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:56 PM
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While I understand that many IU PNM do not maximize their options.

I feel that the above statement is more of the driving force at IU! I would like to see Mandatory Policy of ALL Fraternities having pairs on a rotation system. This would stop many girls from just dropping out all together. Just because they received invites from lower tier sororities. Once this stops, maybe we can obtain a better idea of statistics for recruitment. Just a thought...........
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Another Indiana question: do they have anything resembling a campus total at present?
A couple of comments came to mind while catching up on this thread today. As Clemsongirl wrote, there are campuses who are considering making the move to only two chapters for preference. I know of one SEC campus that has been discussing making this move for next year. I think that two is a good idea even on large campuses. I think three complicates the matter, sometimes.

To answer 33girl: No, IU does not have chapter total. They do calculate average chapter size and some of the GLOs on campus uses it as a gauge for their chapter's success.

Now about this random pairing idea, I have been for it for many years. The concept works other places, it might not go over well at first but after a few years Greeks would get used to it. I know there would be a few details to iron out, but I believe it's possible.

I hope that this year's recruitment brings about some lasting change. Going to quota/total would be a good start.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:39 AM
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If I understand the system correctly at IU, PMN's have to visit the houses of groups they know that they are not interested in (must visit everyone on their list or be dropped from recruitment). I get the reason for this, and know that over time some will "warm up" to a group that they would not otherwise be interested in, but that also means that there are PMN's who spend several days walking across campus to visit XYZ and ABC knowing that there is no way they would put them on a bid card period. (I can imagine for some houses it can also get a little discouraging to rush girls who visit and are not excited about having to be there). But, when it comes to "maximizing" and why some PMN's won't "maximize", PMN's can be required to visit houses but I'm not a fan of putting a group you don't want to belong to on a bid card. The bid card is serious business-if you don't want to be a member of that group, you shouldn't list them. And, I hope they keep 3 preference parties! It is helpful for PMN's who go into the final week undecided to be able to visit 3 groups and for the smaller groups, a PMN that might not rank them first before preference could change their mind once they've attended!

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