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Old 09-29-2003, 07:29 PM
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Adrienne,

I haven't been on GC in a while, but I was so disappointed to log on and see your update. I agree with everyone that you would make an excellent AI in any group you pursue. I'm so sorry that this hasn't worked out for you. I also agree that perhaps this isn't the end of AI for you. Who knows -- another group may catch your eye or things may change as AI becomes more common.

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Old 09-29-2003, 08:09 PM
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Adrienne,
I too need to tell you how sorry I am to hear this news!!! Greek life is missing out by not having you as a member-- I am sure of it.

I have to say--truly SHOCKED that this happened to you. I mean who wouldn't want a dedicated, smartand mature member in their rolls?? Please do not let this be your final attempt at AI. Each group has something different to offer--and things aren't always what they seem on the outside anyway.

Best wishes!!!
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Old 09-29-2003, 11:34 PM
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You guyz have to be the most unbelievable group of cyber-friends a girl could ever have.

Today is better than yesterday in quite a few ways. I went back with my sponsors and other people involved with this phase of AI and it turns out, the chapter was in favor of having me join, the national office had a big chunk of my paperwork with no red flags or objections (initial response was favorable). And some of the people in the chapter thought it was a done deal--just a final matter of paperwork and ritual.

The only fly in the ointment was this single regional officer/specialist/whateversheis deciding to tell the chapter "no". Remember, national was "all systems go", but a regional person (who admitted to me ON THE PHONE that she didn't know what AI was until she took this position) said it wasn't happening.

Something sketchy happened and several people are getting to the bottom of it. There are some **angry** chapter members on the phone to national. I pity the national officers with some of the calls and emails they're getting.

Thanx everyone for the PMs and emails--I promise I'll answer each and every one, but I'm still in getovertheshockandcalmdown mode. I had my hair done, got declawed (what my husband calls a manicure) and burned up a credit card at Saks. Amazing what that does for morale!

Once the brouhaha settles down, the entire story will get posted. (I'm working on it offline so I don't get logged off in the middle of a post. Happened before. It sux.)

The fat lady may be taking a curtain call at some point.

{{{{{{{{{{EVERYBODY ON GC}}}}}}}}}}

Adrienne

(edited to add: I do appreciate everyone's encouragement about keeping options open. As of this very second, I think I've done that--if I got an invite in the next 5 minutes from another org, to me it would be like shopping until someone took me and that's not what I'm doing. It's almost like getting out of a relationship, then going through a "rebound" phase. Not to say it's impossible, just things are still up in the air, w/ no clues as to where they are going to land, and I don't know what it would take to get me to the point where I could research and pursue another org without feeling....what's the word.......guilty I guess for "shopping" and "just going somewhere." Don't worry, youse guyz will be kept up to date.

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Old 09-29-2003, 11:38 PM
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Yay!

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Old 09-29-2003, 11:38 PM
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I'm glad things are looking up at least a little bit. Hang in there! Hopefully this lady will be converted to the good side after all!
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Old 09-30-2003, 12:15 AM
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Yay!

Would it help if GC offered to go kick that one officer's butt?
Oh, my goodness - the mental image I got from that!! Dozens of sorority women slapping that person silly!!!

Adrienne, glad to hear that the retail therapy is working! Please know that you are loved and respected here ALWAYS!!!!
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Old 09-30-2003, 03:02 AM
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ADRIENNE!!!!!!!! So happy for you!!!

Hopefully, this messy situation will get all worked out... there are so many lines of communication to keep track of! I only wish that all NPCs had a better organized AI process, similar to the NPHCs!
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Old 09-30-2003, 05:32 AM
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<Kelly grabs a torch and pitchfork> Alright!! Where do we go?!?!




It must be a relief to know that this was the work of one possibly misunderstanding person and not an outright rejection from the entire group! I suppose there are two pieces of good news. First, you still have "another chance" and two, this will serve as a learning opportunity for people (like this regional coordinator lady) who either don't understand or don't like AI.


Good for you, Adrienne! We look forward to a great finish!


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I'll help! it has been a good long time since I have been in a street fight!

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Old 09-30-2003, 12:56 PM
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What good news... I'm so happy for you!
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Hopefully, this situation will be resolved soon. Best of luck!
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Old 09-30-2003, 01:52 PM
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Something sketchy happened and several people are getting to the bottom of it. There are some **angry** chapter members on the phone to national. I pity the national officers with some of the calls and emails they're getting.
It really sucks that you found out how much people liked you the *hard* way, but I think it's fair to say that you've made quite an impression, and therefore rock.

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Old 10-05-2003, 12:59 AM
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OK, folks, the word came in tonight.

Long story short, there was some argument from within the chapter whether they were in favor of AI at all or not. FYI, there was NO indication to me that there was any kind of conflict over anything. And **if** I am permitted to pursue this org again, I have to wait YEARS. One year took enough out of my psyche. So like I said earlier, the journey has come to an end.

As I promised way back when, here is my entire AI journey story, with names included.

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Once I learned that AI was even a possibility, I went back to square one and researched every woman’s GLO I could find. I clarified specifically for myself what I wanted in an org, and what I wanted to contribute. I came up with this:
1) An organization with structured collegiate AND alumnae involvement, so there could be a chance, now and in the future to mentor young people in college. (I’m really big on teaching, always have been.)
2) An org with alumnae already established in the area. Alumnae are the people I’m going to be working, identifying, supporting, and networking with. Therefore, I figured it would be frustrating to be initiated into an org if there are few to no other alums in the area.
3) A national philanthropy I could relate to personally. This is pretty broad but socializing is only one aspect of the sisterhood I was looking for—making a positive difference in your community is (IMHO) essential to any public org.

It was a struggle to pick just ONE org to pursue, especially because I could identify with something in each org. But eventually I settled on Delta Delta Delta to pursue first. TriDelta’s philanthropy is children’s cancer research, literally right up my alley. They also have chapters (collegiate and alum) reasonably close. And I couldn’t help but be attracted to an org founded by fellow Boston U students.
With CP2K’s help, I drafted an introductory letter and sent it to national. Within a couple of days I received a wonderful email from a national coordinator who told me the name of a local alum chapter prez. We talked on the phone, even, to discuss the process, exchange some information—and learned that the prez would be contacting me. Given that it was the end of the year (2002) and that meant holidays and Founders’ Day, I didn’t expect a response on the spot. Finally, in February I sent a polite “reminder” email that I had not heard anything yet. That month brought a cheerful phone call from the local alum prez. It was a blast; we knew some of the same people, had similar interests and I thought we were off to a great start. She promised to round up some other alums to have lunch and “get to know” each other. (Let’s be real, this is an interview, but I knew and expected that.) We kept the month of March open for this.

March came and went.

And then all of my phone calls went unanswered. So did my emails. Even to the contact I made at national.

Absoultely nothing, for MONTHS of patient waiting. Now I may be naïve in some things but I do know when to take a hint. DDD was not to be my home and it was time to move on.

For all of you alums and future alums out there: DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!! Getting ignored is insulting to the PNAM and reflects badly on your org!!! It is entirely possible that I made a poor impression at some point. Or maybe the chapter wasn’t in favor of AI. Or maybe she didn’t like someone I was close to. I’ll never know, because no one ever told me.

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OK, moving on to GLO number 2, Gamma Phi Beta. Again, met the criteria I set for myself: philanthropy is camping for girls, another activity very close to my heart. Same process, contact national, state my intentions, and ask who to contact. Now these people are on the ball! Had several possible groups for me to talk to within 24 hours, and a request that I contact them again if they don’t write back. Another 24 hours and I had an email back from the prez of the nearest alum chapter with an invitation to their upcoming dinner party.

This dinner party was the first chance I had to see an alum group in action. Very welcoming group, and gracious to this new visitor. This was the first time I saw the depth of the sisterhood bonds—spanning across nations and generations and the differences did not separate them. The youngest there was in her 20s, the oldest over 80! The defining moment, where I felt I could truly understand what a lifelong sisterhood was, was when they sang their grace before dinner. All of these women, from all over the USA, with a 60-year age span, all knew the same song. Each one learned it in a different time and place, and attached different memories to it, yet it still meant the same thing. It’s hard to explain but that moment crystallized what I was pursuing in my mind.

I didn’t think it went too badly for an initial visit. In fact, it didn’t go badly at all. But…as incredible as it sounds, there was no big mental “click” that let you know that this would be the place to settle in. I can’t put my finger on what was missing, but I didn’t’ feel I could try to put roots down until I had looked at other orgs I was interested in. After the summer was over, I hadn’t heard back from them. Maybe they felt the same way. But in this case, I got a fair first-shot and everything about my inquiry was handled promptly and with dignity. Absolutely nothing negative here.

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Another GLO I wanted to meet was Kappa Alpha Theta. Both of my sisters-in-law (who are essentially sisters to me except that we have different parents) became members in college and they made it REALLY clear that if I wanted to pursue Theta, they would pave the way. I didn’t know much about them until my SILs directed me to their website and shared their own experiences with me. I was surprised to learn how active they are in my area and their support of CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocates). Another issue I have experience with and a love for.

My younger SIL put in a phone call to a buddy of hers at the national office to inquire on my behalf. You have to know Cindy to know when this woman wants something done it would take a nuclear explosion to distract her. The national officer, however, discouraged her from putting me through the AI gauntlet w/ Theta. It seems that Theta is one of those orgs that is on the “closed” end of the spectrum when it comes to AI. (Not making a judgment on whether that’s good or bad, just saying that’s the way it is.) According to my SIL, their criteria for AI came down to the following:
--a faculty member or wife thereof of a college/university
--someone from a colony that was chartered as Theta after she graduated
--when there isn’t enough alumna support in the area
--a celebrity

In my case, I happened to live in a city with one of the strongest Theta alum chapters in the org, so they didn’t “need” to AI me. I never ended up meeting the chapter. To Cindy, that was enough of a nuclear explosion to throw her off the scent. I wasn’t happy about that, but I greatly respected the fact that they were very up-front about their policies and didn’t mince words or mislead me, even inadvertently.

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The last org was a surprise even to me. Around April-ish of this year, there were a few threads running about why post-collegiate women are interested in Greek life. I posted on a couple of those, hinting at some of the very personal things I put in my introduction letters. I received a PM from someone I now consider one of my bestest buddies asking if I would consider her meeting her org, as she thought there would be a good match there. I’m thinking, “hey, sure, what could it hurt?” I sent my intro letter to her colleague who had quite a bit of experience with AI. Time for another meeting with a new group.

Do you know how it is, when you come home from work, you drop your briefcase, kick off your shoes, pick up the mail, and grab something out of the fridge, without even thinking about the actions because you are so accustomed to your home you don’t have to put any effort into it? That is what this meeting was like! Being in this stranger’s home with 3 dozen new women was like walking into my own home with people I’ve known forever.

CLICK!

Everyone there was positive about AI, even if they were just hearing of it. At the end of the night my new friend who escorted me to the meeting fielded all of my questions and asked me to contact her if I wanted to go forward with the process, acknowledging that I had been exploring several orgs looking for the right fit. I decided to go ahead and process the paperwork. Summer passed, and the pursuit continued into September.

Unfortunately, you know the rest of this story as well. What was originally received very positively by the chapter, and even by at least one member of EO, was shot in the foot by a regional officer due to some conflicts within the chapter that I am still not clear on.

This was Delta Gamma.

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Beating a dead horse: I'm dead tired, emotionally, spiritually, mentally, the works. I haven't felt like this since I split up with my first serious boyfriend--after we had talked about marriage, our parents had met, etc. I don't have the energy - the guts - to do this again.

As time passes, that may change. I just dont' see it at the moment. It's humiliating to get THAT many rejections over that amount of time. I'd wear myself out if I got into the "what's WRONG with me?" thinking. If an org came to me to meet them, that would be doable, but we know that isn't necessarily a reasonable expectation. I do want the bonding that only a GLO can provide. I just don't want the process that goes with it. I feel like I've been hazed.

Again--thanks everyone. I honestly mean it. I really will get to all of those PMs, I promise. And I will still promote Greek life in whatever humble way I can. (Just this past Thursday evening I got into a conversation with a kid from the Boston U development office--I told her that every day I wish I went Greek and if she still has the chance to not let it go by!)

We'll see what happens as time goes by. I'm not going anywhere, just in low gear. Feel free to PM or email.

{{{GC}}}
Adrienne
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Old 10-05-2003, 02:05 AM
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wow.

I'm sorry, A. I really am.

I'm also not convinced this is the last chapter....
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