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12-03-2006, 10:07 PM
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SMU student found dead at SAE House
Dallas news stations are reporting that an SAE member was found dead in their house at SMU. No other information so far.
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12-03-2006, 10:09 PM
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Naperville student dead at SMU
December 3, 2006
DALLAS -- A 20-year-old from Naperville, Ill., was found dead in his room at a Southern Methodist University fraternity house over the weekend.
The university said in a news release posted on its Web site that the cause of Jacob Stiles' death wasn't immediately known. A ruling on the cause of death was pending Sunday with the Dallas County Medical Examiner's Office.
Stiles was a member of the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity. Fraternity members attended a prayer service for Stiles at Perkins Chapel on campus on Sunday.
Stiles was found dead about 1:30 p.m. Saturday.
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12-04-2006, 12:09 AM
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Long night filled with lots of drinking and lots of blow. Thats about all you need to know.
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12-04-2006, 12:48 AM
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As I posted on FS, one of my favorite combinations.
Condolences go out to the SAE family.
P.S. could this be taken out of Hazing, seeing as it was not a result of hazing?
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12-04-2006, 01:28 AM
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It's in Risk Management, which is more than just hazing. Besides, they don't know how he died yet.
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12-04-2006, 01:32 AM
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I believe I just stated how he died. OD of some type.....highly likely that it was coke.......have talked to quite a few people about it today....I know a ton of SAEs at SMU. Truly horrible, and I wish the best for their chapter and all that are involved.
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12-04-2006, 10:01 AM
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Dammit, why was my post deleted?
Condolences to the SAE family.
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12-04-2006, 12:12 PM
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Condolences to all involved.
This kind of thing is a shock to all involved -- even if the risks are known -- so my thoughts go out to not only the chapter, but to all of this young mans friends and the entire Greek Community there.
We had a similar situation at our Ohio State chapter a few years ago, but the drinking and drugs didn't happen in the house.
Subsequent information, though, caused an investigation which resulted in the closing of the chapter. It recolonized and was rechartered last year, I think.
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12-04-2006, 12:51 PM
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They won't close SAE at SMU.......too powerful...........besides, it was a completely isolated incodent.
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12-04-2006, 03:44 PM
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It is amazing how some people feel that their Chapter is above their National/International and how they think and feel.
Bravado may seem the thing to do unless you have worked with them one on one, then you may have no idea of what is going on.
Have many gotten out of the little world, Chapter, or area they are in and worked with Members of other Greek Organizations?
A Greek Organization with out Leadership is a Ship with out a Captain.
If what some say that that IHQ's hold a blind eye to transgressions against policy have a lot to learn.
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12-04-2006, 04:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Earp
It is amazing how some people feel that their Chapter is above their National/International and how they think and feel.
Bravado may seem the thing to do unless you have worked with them one on one, then you may have no idea of what is going on.
Have many gotten out of the little world, Chapter, or area they are in and worked with Members of other Greek Organizations?
A Greek Organization with out Leadership is a Ship with out a Captain.
If what some say that that IHQ's hold a blind eye to transgressions against policy have a lot to learn.
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Oh Jesus....here we go again. Tom, quit with your nonsensical, rambling preacher sessions. You have absolutely no idea what happened. I do. What the hell are you talking about with "transgressions against policy?" The chapter didn't have anything to it.
Instead of force feeding everyone your ideas on your beloved "Nationals/IHQ" and telling us to "get out in the real world"........
Last edited by Kevin; 12-06-2006 at 12:59 PM.
Reason: language, personal attacks
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12-04-2006, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25
They won't close SAE at SMU.......too powerful...........besides, it was a completely isolated incodent.
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Ohio State was one of our larger and older chapters with some very influential alumni.
That didn't make any difference.
And it shouldn't.
It was due to its history and alumni support -- including a member of our Arch Chapter (board of directors) -- that allowed it to recolonize so quickly, though.
You're right, we don't know the whole story, but if this kind of behavior is a norm at the chapter, and it isn't closed, then SAE isn't as good of an organization as I think it is.
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12-04-2006, 06:38 PM
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Or we could let people take responsibilities for their actions. Why not close SMU down as well? They obviously allow these activities to go on. If the chapter supplied the blow, maybe that would be a rational decision. Also, if a chapter has a policy against drugs and decides to kick a member out, then thats fine also. Nationals coming in and closing down shop because some people use drugs and an accident happened is stupid. Yeah yeah, insurance, liability. I just hate that fraternities are viewed as some overseeing parent responsible for its members. Sure, our bonds and activities go beyond that of a club, but thats how it should be viewed. If I die of drinking, should the college republicans be held responsible? These are grown men. Well, they would be if people would stop treating them like children who need to be coddled.
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12-04-2006, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25
Oh Jesus....here we go again. Tom, quit with your nonsensical, bullshit, rambling preacher sessions. You have absolutely no idea what happened. I do. What the hell are you talking about with "transgressions against policy?" The chapter didn't have anything to it.
Instead of force feeding everyone your ideas on your beloved "Nationals/IHQ" and telling us to "get out in the real world"........how about you show some fucking respect.
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I would be more than happy to if the same respect is shown to others  .
But, I am afraid you have no clue! Get a grip on what Greek Life is instead of your little mind set.
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12-04-2006, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock
These are grown men.
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Maybe. But maybe not grown enough to follow the rules and obey the law.
The chapter knows what is expected of it.
IF it was aware of what was going on, it may deserve to be closed.
Sorry, but that's the way society works.
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