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Old 07-22-2010, 08:57 AM
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Did something happen between last night and this morning?
The dude apologized for posting in a fraternity specific forum and then apparently deleted both posts.

And then Sen did too?

Or a mod did it all. In which case I don't care if this sticks around after BluPhire sees it.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:17 AM
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There are two problems I have with the article:


2. He makes this assumption that [American Blacks] should support the protest of the AZ bill since Afro-Caribbeans would be affected too. In a very short-sighted way, I don't see why American Blacks should be out front protesting. The AZ immigration issue is not 'our' fight.
So, should I not care about Domestic Violence against women because as a man I'm not affected, or harmed, by it?

Even a casual look at the history of minorities in America shows the need for at least strategic concern if not outright action in the face of discrimination. Yes, America is a daily freak show and we fly off the handle about too much, but against something as egregious as this legislation, action is necessary.

If I ignore your skirmish today, can I really expect you to help me fight my war tomorrow?
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:25 AM
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So, should I not care about Domestic Violence against women because as a man I'm not affected, or harmed, by it?

Even a casual look at the history of minorities in America shows the need for at least strategic concern if not outright action in the face of discrimination. Yes, America is a daily freak show and we fly off the handle about too much, but against something as egregious as this legislation, action is necessary.

If I ignore your skirmish today, can I really expect you to help me fight my war tomorrow?

Devil's advocate.

What's so discriminatory about the Arizona law? How does it differ from Federal law?
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:45 AM
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So, should I not care about Domestic Violence against women because as a man I'm not affected, or harmed, by it?

Even a casual look at the history of minorities in America shows the need for at least strategic concern if not outright action in the face of discrimination. Yes, America is a daily freak show and we fly off the handle about too much, but against something as egregious as this legislation, action is necessary.

If I ignore your skirmish today, can I really expect you to help me fight my war tomorrow?
Thank you.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:47 AM
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Devil's advocate.

What's so discriminatory about the Arizona law? How does it differ from Federal law?

As I always say, the devil doesn't need an advocate.

Have people read the Arizona law thread(s) on Greekchat? There's some good back-and-forth for both sides of the debate. Agree or not, it provides a framework for the issue.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:52 AM
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As I always say, the devil doesn't need an advocate.

Have people read the Arizona law thread(s) on Greekchat? There's some good back-and-forth for both sides of the debate. Agree or not, it provides a framework for the issue.
I've read it. Read the threads, participated in the conversation.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:57 AM
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I've read it. Read the threads, participated in the conversation.
Then the issue isn't being the devil's advocate about the law itself but rather understanding why some organizations are approaching this head-on, as in the case of Alpha.

I agree 100% with TonyB06 eventhough I see the pros and cons of the Arizona law.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:57 AM
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The dude apologized for posting in a fraternity specific forum and then apparently deleted both posts.

And then Sen did too?

That's what happened, and I only deleted mine because he asked politely, but I still told him that I appreciated respectful discourse no matter what lane it's in. I don't care about "lane swerving" if you can intellectually contribute to the discourse.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:01 AM
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That's what happened, and I only deleted mine because he asked politely, but I still told him that I appreciated respectful discourse no matter what lane it's in. I don't care about "lane swerving" if you can intellectually contribute to the discourse.
You with your reasonableness.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:03 AM
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You with your reasonableness.
LOL

I can't be bad cop all the time.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:09 AM
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LOL

I can't be bad cop all the time.
Sure you can.

Though, now I feel bad for not contributing to the real thread topic, but been there, done that and I don't have any reason to boycott as I was never at a risk of going to AZ in the first place.

All sunny and hot and ew.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:10 AM
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LOL

I can't be bad cop all the time.
That would make you predictable.
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:22 AM
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So, should I not care about Domestic Violence against women because as a man I'm not affected, or harmed, by it?

Even a casual look at the history of minorities in America shows the need for at least strategic concern if not outright action in the face of discrimination. Yes, America is a daily freak show and we fly off the handle about too much, but against something as egregious as this legislation, action is necessary.

If I ignore your skirmish today, can I really expect you to help me fight my war tomorrow?
I agree with you and your point.

But let us stick to the issue at hand - the AZ bill is about preventing illegal immigration. Maybe the way they are going about is not the best, but something must be done. Illegal immigrants become a drain on society because they are using government agencies that they don't pay for.

I think that it is wonderful that we live in a country that is willing to provide a decent amount of services to it's citizens - I have no problem with that. I do have a problem when Maria is at Harris County Hospital having her 6th kid, no insurance, all the while she and her husband are sending their money back to Mexico, and my property taxes keep going up because Maria keeps having kids she can't pay for, but I have to.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:56 PM
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Maybe the way they are going about is not the best...
Exactly.
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what about illegal EUROPEAN immigrants?
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