Dirty Rush

[adrie435]

In my opinion, you have suceeded on the whole point of recruitment... Congratulations, you have made these women your friends!

New women on campus are supposed to have the opportunity to observe Greek Life and get to know women in the organizations. I really do feel like a lot of schools are taking silence a bit far when sorority women are not allowed to even talk to freshmen before recruitment starts (it shouldn't be about their sorority-- that's dirty recruitment-- but get to know them on a personal basis like you would a friend). It just gives sorority women the image of being stuck-up and clique-y when they aren't allowed to have contact. Unless its a school where enough women come in knowing a lot about Greek Life and see past the silence it's going to confuse the heck out of them when no sorority woman will be seen with them and probably turns off a lot of wonderful potential members.

It depends on your campus rules what you really can or can't do..... but if you really aren't allowed to even talk to freshman about non-sorority/Greek Life stuff before recruitment you should really try to get that changed with your Panhellenic! It defeats the whole purpose of recruitment!!!

[Faith4Keep]

In continuation of the whining....

I am SO TIRED of everything that I do or say being considered dirty rushing!! Ahhh it's so frustrating! Especially on these forums or on facebook- it's terrible when a PNM (who is also an acquaintance) writes on my wall and I can't write back. Worst of all- my school considers ANY WOMAN who is not affiliated with a GLO a PNM... so people that hate greeks, people that are seniors, people that have NO interest in rushing are considered PNMs. **screams**

The worst part about it for me is when I see 1) girls discussing what chapters they are going to rush... seeing as you HAVE to rush all 10... and 2) girls freaking out because they are a sophomore/junior or they want recruitment advice specific to my U and I can't reply.

I've already gotten in trouble once this summer when I encouraged some girls to not worry and come with an open mind to recruitment... dirty rushing?

I understand what dirty rushing is supposed to prevent, but it's getting to the point that another sorority on our campus may post something on GC like, "Hey guys!! I need advice about rush at our U! Can you help?" and if someone responds with advice, especially if they have their chapter name in their siggy-- *boom* dirty rushing, infractions, etc.

...end rant/whining

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by danielleymarie

They asked about the school & sororities in general. Now they are really interesting in rushing in the fall.

One of my friends at a different school said that they would consider that dirty rushing since it would be suspected that we convinced these girls to go through rush.

This is in no way dirty rushing. Dirty rushing is talking up your sorority as the only one that a PNM should consider, promising bids or gift-giving during silence. You did none of these things. You did the Panhellenic thing and talked up sorority life, and now there are more PNMs registered for recruitment. You have benefitted your Greek System.

Your friend has no idea what she is talking about.

Originally Posted by Soliloquy

[whining]

I understand the need to take precautions against dirty rushing, but dang! It really sucks not being able to talk to your friends or hang-out during the last free month before school starts. I was totally looking forward to a few more girls nights before recruitment started to relax. Not that we'd talk about recruitment or anything related, but all girls know that being around a group of friends when you're a bundle of nerves is completely therapuetic

Can't imagine what gamma chi's have to go through!

[/whining]

It depends on the school and their silence rules, I'd imagine. At my school, silence was all summer long, but you were allowed to have "non-sorority" contact with PNMs and sorority women as long as no dirty-rush type incidents occurred. And trust me, people were watching to report sororities for infractions, so everyone would mind her p's and q's.

When the clock struck midnight for the start of strict silence, there was zero contact, period, outside of recruitment events. Of course, if you were someone's roommate, some things just can't be avoided.

Originally Posted by Faith4Keep

In continuation of the whining....

I am SO TIRED of everything that I do or say being considered dirty rushing!! Ahhh it's so frustrating! Especially on these forums or on facebook- it's terrible when a PNM (who is also an acquaintance) writes on my wall and I can't write back. Worst of all- my school considers ANY WOMAN who is not affiliated with a GLO a PNM... so people that hate greeks, people that are seniors, people that have NO interest in rushing are considered PNMs. **screams**

The worst part about it for me is when I see 1) girls discussing what chapters they are going to rush... seeing as you HAVE to rush all 10... and 2) girls freaking out because they are a sophomore/junior or they want recruitment advice specific to my U and I can't reply.

I've already gotten in trouble once this summer when I encouraged some girls to not worry and come with an open mind to recruitment... dirty rushing?

I understand what dirty rushing is supposed to prevent, but it's getting to the point that another sorority on our campus may post something on GC like, "Hey guys!! I need advice about rush at our U! Can you help?" and if someone responds with advice, especially if they have their chapter name in their siggy-- *boom* dirty rushing, infractions, etc.

...end rant/whining

Faith, UCF is uber strict. I was on campus in the days before wide-spread internet use, but trust me when I say that I encountered similiar issues as an ADPi sister, and later as a Rho Chi... (and I was called a Rho Chi and not a "Rho Gam"). I have some very funny stories about our Pan Exec and summer disaffiliation. Just remember that it's temporary and also remember that PROMOTING SORORITY RECRUITMENT AND THE BENEFITS OF MEMBERSHIP IN "A" SORORITY ARE NOT DIRTY RUSHING, IT IS PUBLIC RELATIONS!!! Solely promoting the benefits of your sorority outside of a recruitment event is dirty, and that is common sense. If anyone calls you an infraction, and you consider it unfair, you should contest it.

[33girl]

These schools are absolutely going overboard with the "dirty rushing" and "silence" crap. And what makes me mad is I think it's just the sororities trying to get each other in trouble. Damn, get a life. Do you really have nothing better to do than troll facebook/myspace/GC and look for infractions? Maybe you should concentrate on trying to improve your own chapter.

[dgdramadawg]

When I was in undergrad, I worked at a bookstore on campus where a lot of girls came for orientation. Pretty much every girl who worked there was Greek and supervisors were also Greek. They always reminded us that we could wear t-shirts with our letters on them, we could ask if girls/guys were rushing (and of course follow it up with "and you'll need these soffees for a relaxing night after round one!"), and we could encourage them to rush, but we could not go any further than that. It was almost like we had a mini-Panhellenic there, encouraging everyone to go Greek!

Of course, when one of our own (the one non-Greek girl) decided to rush, it suddenly became a lot harder because we HAD to see her and talk to her every day without going beyond the above. It was also tough for her to understand why we couldn't talk about certain things. But in the end, I think it helped her make the best choice for her... which was a completely different house from the rest of us!

I do think some campuses go a little overboard in trying to catch each other, but the "no dirty rush" rule works so well when, as in the case above, everyone sticks to it. I mean, I could have pushed and pushed her to go DG, but she wouldn't have found her true home there.

[Stef the Pef]

Originally Posted by ADPiZXalum

I hate dirty rushing. I heard MANY times girls drop out because XYZ promised them they'd be in their sorority and they got cut by them after Round 2. My favorite was hearing girls come back later and tell us, "I really liked your chapter and would've joined but ABC (the group they joined) told me you guys were getting kicked off campus."

So this is my question--how can a chapter combat this kind of crap? Honestly, the dinners, signs, and everything else seem pretty "clean" compared to the smear campaign some chapters wage against others. So what do the other chapters do, then?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

These schools are absolutely going overboard with the "dirty rushing" and "silence" crap. And what makes me mad is I think it's just the sororities trying to get each other in trouble. Damn, get a life. Do you really have nothing better to do than troll facebook/myspace/GC and look for infractions? Maybe you should concentrate on trying to improve your own chapter.

My senior semester they changed the rules to cut back our silence a LOT. It was wonderful and we loved it. AND there wasn't an increase in the dirty rushing because of it. (That still happened by a few specific chapters/members, but it didn't change)

[Faith4Keep]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Just remember that it's temporary and also remember that PROMOTING SORORITY RECRUITMENT AND THE BENEFITS OF MEMBERSHIP IN "A" SORORITY ARE NOT DIRTY RUSHING, IT IS PUBLIC RELATIONS!!!

Well... part of the dirty rushing rule is that we can't communicate with any PNMs with the exception of brief salutations. Here's an excerpt from one of the e-mails our VP Membership/Recruitment sent to us:


IMPORTANT !!
As a reminder, disaffilation (June 25-Bid Day) means that:

1. From the start of Summer B onward, communication between any member or alumna of a sorority and any PNM (any female student at UCF) must be limited to brief normal greetings. Please be careful of this, especially if you are friends with any PNMs! We get fined $100 for each time someone is caught associating with PNMs.

2. Girls who are rho gammas, recruitment exec, or pan exec and are disaffiliated from our chapter cannot be seen with members wearing letters or in cars with letters, or at any event where their affiliation could become known.

If you have any questions about Panhellenic rules or infractions, please contact me.

[adpiucf]

Yeah, but people do it anyway. Panhellenic isn't in your apartment with you 24/7, and you can't be completely anti-social if your non-sorority random roommate has friends over.
Just don't go out of your way to break the rules, but it's ok to be a nice person. UCF turns into the Rush Gestapo at this time of year, and I understand your feelings.

Also, Recruitment Counselors love receiving "We Miss You" cards and gifts during recruitment week. Don't forget about them!!!!!

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Faith4Keep

Well... part of the dirty rushing rule is that we can't communicate with any PNMs with the exception of brief salutations. Here's an excerpt from one of the e-mails our VP Membership/Recruitment sent to us:


IMPORTANT !!
As a reminder, disaffilation (June 25-Bid Day) means that:

1. From the start of Summer B onward, communication between any member or alumna of a sorority and any PNM (any female student at UCF) must be limited to brief normal greetings. Please be careful of this, especially if you are friends with any PNMs! We get fined $100 for each time someone is caught associating with PNMs.

2. Girls who are rho gammas, recruitment exec, or pan exec and are disaffiliated from our chapter cannot be seen with members wearing letters or in cars with letters, or at any event where their affiliation could become known.

If you have any questions about Panhellenic rules or infractions, please contact me.

I find it interesting they include alumnae, how can they possibly control and police people who are not their students.

[adpiucf]

They can't fine chapter for something an alum has done. That's an empty threat. But there are a good number of women who go alumna early (they find a loophole or end up taking longer than 4 years to graduate) or stay at UCF to do a master's program, so they're still up in everybody's business. It's a way for them to scare off those recent alums from causing trouble.

I think recent alums are the worst thing about sorority recruitment. They still think of it as "my chapter" and can't let go that they don't have any authority or say in what happens in the chapter anymore. And they involve themselves or create chapter drama because the sorority is still the most important thing in their lives.

I think the best thing you can do for a graduating senior is to invite her to an alumna event and sit her down for a firm yet gentle speech that communicates, "Your work has been appreciated, but your work here is done. Let's talk about your future as an alumna of XYZ..."

[TSteven]

It seems like most of the "dirty rushing" incidents being discussed has to do with current collegiate members talking to PNMs *at their school*.

Is it "dirty rushing" to promote one's sorority (for lack of a better phrase) at a national level? For example, say Molly Member is an ABC at a Midwestern university . Molly's friend will be attending a Southern college where there is also an ABC chapter. Molly, along with her chapter sisters, have promoted ABC to Molly's friend - both directly and indirectly - over the year(s).

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by TSteven

It seems like most of the "dirty rushing" incidents being discussed has to do with current collegiate members talking to PNMs *at their school*.

Is it "dirty rushing" to promote one's sorority (for lack of a better phrase) at a national level? For example, say Molly Member is an ABC at a Midwestern university . Molly's friend will be attending a Southern college where there is also an ABC chapter. Molly, along with her chapter sisters, have promoted ABC to Molly's friend - both directly and indirectly - over the year(s).

You cannot get a rush infraction for talking to a PNM from a different school.

[Faith4Keep]

I know nothing official, but my initial response would be that it depends on what year the PNM is. If the PNM is a sophomore or higher, doing deferred recruitment... i.e., already enrolled at a different school, then no I don't think promoting your chapter would be considered dirty rushing. However, if the PNM is a freshman and not technically enrolled in any school yet... then in might be considered dirty rushing.

Please don't let this into any sorority girl's head though- we already have enough trouble at my U with agents We don't need nearby schools/chapters teaming up and "not-dirty-rushing" each other's PNMs.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

You cannot get a rush infraction for talking to a PNM from a different school.

Really?