GreekChat.com Forums  

Go Back   GreekChat.com Forums > General Chat Topics > Academics


Register Now for FREE!
Join GreekChat.com, The Fraternity & Sorority Greek Chat Network. To sign up for your FREE account INSTANTLY fill out the form below!

Username: Password: Confirm Password: E-Mail: Confirm E-Mail:
 
Image Verification
Please enter the six letters or digits that appear in the image opposite.

  I agree to forum rules 

» GC Stats
Members: 325,125
Threads: 115,503
Posts: 2,196,047
Welcome to our newest member, PiperJarma
» Online Users: 1,681
0 members and 1,681 guests
No Members online
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-22-2013, 07:37 PM
aephi alum aephi alum is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Crescent City
Posts: 10,014
11 Public Universities with the Worst Graduation Rate

11 Public Universities with the Worst Graduation Rate

I believe the graduation rates are calculated using the percentage of students who earn a four-year degree within six years.

Worst of the lot: Southern University at New Orleans, Louisiana, with a graduation rate of just four percent (!). The median SAT score is 715. Given that you get 600 points just for showing up and writing your name, that is pathetic.

In the immortal words of Bluto: "Seven years of college down the drain."
__________________
AEΦ ... Multa Corda, Una Causa ... Celebrating Over 100 Years of Sisterhood
Have no place I can be since I found Serenity, but you can't take the sky from me...
Only those who risk going too far, find out how far they can go.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-22-2013, 07:41 PM
carnation carnation is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 13,798
Hm. Looks like most are branch campuses?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-22-2013, 07:48 PM
sigmagirl2000 sigmagirl2000 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,055
Send a message via AIM to sigmagirl2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by aephi alum View Post
Worst of the lot: Southern University at New Orleans, Louisiana, with a graduation rate of just four percent (!). The median SAT score is 715. Given that you get 600 points just for showing up and writing your name, that is pathetic.

You forgot to mention that they have a 48.4% acceptance rate. This scares me.... How bad do the other 51.6% of applicants have to be?
__________________
ΣΚ one heart one way


::: waiting for someone to post in Irishpipes 2013-2014 chapter listing thread that quota was .25 ::: - ASTalumna06

Last edited by sigmagirl2000; 09-22-2013 at 07:50 PM. Reason: math issues!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-22-2013, 07:49 PM
AOII Angel AOII Angel is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Santa Monica/Beverly Hills
Posts: 8,636
As Carnation pointed out, Southern University NO is a branch university of Southern University an HBCU. The students served by Southern may have extremely low SATs but they come from a very poor and underserved area of New Orleans. This is not an unexpected revelation. Louisiana has many open enrollment universities that take area students. If a few students can actually succeed out of this environment, I am pleased.
__________________

AOII

One Motto, One Badge, One Bond and Singleness of Heart!




Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-22-2013, 08:04 PM
maconmagnolia maconmagnolia is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 442
Quote:
Originally Posted by aephi alum View Post
Worst of the lot: Southern University at New Orleans, Louisiana, with a graduation rate of just four percent (!). The median SAT score is 715. Given that you get 600 points just for showing up and writing your name, that is pathetic.
Wow. I remember when I was in high school there were kids who got 12's and 13's on their ACTs. You apparently get 9 just for writing your name.

I come from a very small, farming community, so it wasn't like I went to a competitive high school that encouraged applying to college, but this still shocked me.
__________________
Like it, Love it, ADPI!
<> We live for each other <>
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-22-2013, 08:05 PM
IUHoosiergirl88 IUHoosiergirl88 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 733
PNC (Purdue North Central) is definitely the location for Northwest Indiana students who know they have to go to college but really don't want to.
__________________
First. Finest. Forever. <>ALPHA DELTA PI <>
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-22-2013, 08:06 PM
IndianaSigKap's Avatar
IndianaSigKap IndianaSigKap is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Sweet Home Indiana
Posts: 2,082
Quote:
Originally Posted by AOII Angel View Post
As Carnation pointed out, Southern University NO is a branch university of Southern University an HBCU. The students served by Southern may have extremely low SATs but they come from a very poor and underserved area of New Orleans. This is not an unexpected revelation. Louisiana has many open enrollment universities that take area students. If a few students can actually succeed out of this environment, I am pleased.
^^ This! I was about to make a similar point.

I live in an area with one large public university, two small private religiously affiliated universities, two branches of a large state schools, and two junior colleges. Graduation rates are not all they are cracked up to be. For example, a student may start out at JCC because he or she didn't have the credentials to get into U of L. He or she does really well and transfers to U of L. The student shows up as a drop out of JCC, but does earn a degree at U of L. Statistics don't always tell the entire story.

Another thing I noticed was that most of the schools listed has reasonable tuition rates. They may be going after those "disadvantaged" students AA mentioned above and providing them with a chance to succeed.
__________________
Sigma Kappa
One Heart One Way since 1874
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-22-2013, 08:07 PM
33girl 33girl is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hotel Oceanview
Posts: 34,489
I don't understand putting branches on here. Don't the majority of the students transfer to the main campus?
__________________
It is all 33girl's fault. ~DrPhil
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-22-2013, 08:19 PM
IndianaSigKap's Avatar
IndianaSigKap IndianaSigKap is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Sweet Home Indiana
Posts: 2,082
Quote:
Originally Posted by 33girl View Post
I don't understand putting branches on here. Don't the majority of the students transfer to the main campus?
No the majority do not. Students are usually at the branch near me because:

1. They can't afford to pay the room and board. The branch enables them to live at home and earn a degree.
2. They don't have the academic chops to get into the main campus. They pretty much stay at the academic level and take 5-7 years to graduate.
3. They have to pay for their own school and have to work lots of hours to afford school.
4. They are afraid of the size of the main campus and like the branch's size.
5. They have helicopter parents who don't want them to go away to school and buy them a brand new car to stay close to home.
__________________
Sigma Kappa
One Heart One Way since 1874
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-22-2013, 09:09 PM
IrishLake IrishLake is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: What's round on the ends and high in the middle?
Posts: 3,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by 33girl View Post
I don't understand putting branches on here. Don't the majority of the students transfer to the main campus?
Noooooooope. Very few, in fact.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap View Post
No the majority do not. Students are usually at the branch near me because:

1. They can't afford to pay the room and board. The branch enables them to live at home and earn a degree.
2. They don't have the academic chops to get into the main campus. They pretty much stay at the academic level and take 5-7 years to graduate.
3. They have to pay for their own school and have to work lots of hours to afford school.
4. They are afraid of the size of the main campus and like the branch's size.
5. They have helicopter parents who don't want them to go away to school and buy them a brand new car to stay close to home.
This. In poor southern Appalachian Ohio, 1 and 3 especially. Ohio University's Branches are very popular around here. I work with many different technicians who have been taking one class at a time over the last 6 or 7 years. Several of them want to go back and finish, but just don't have the means to anymore. They go to OU-C, OU-S, OU-L, OU-Z, and OU-E because as high school graduates, they know they have to have SOME sort of higher education in order to get a decent paying job. So they start out at one of those OU branches, and get an entry level or part-time job somewhere. Factory, bank, administrative, etc. But they get older, life changes, they get married, have kids, and within 5-7 years after high school graduation, they're only halfway or two thirds through their college course load to get their bachelors. But in the meantime, since they've been working those past 5-7 years, they're gaining work experience. They're given raises, minor promotions, and get the opportunity to get special training and certifications through their employer. Finishing their degree no longer becomes a priority. Their job has become more demanding, and their personal lives no longer allow them to do so.

I work with a girl who technically got her degree from one of those OU branches. For her major though, she had to take quite a few classes at the main campus. That's not uncommon. It was hard, because it was a two hour round trip drive twice a week, but she made it work because she badly wanted her BA. Not only that, but enrolling in those classes through the branch versus the main campus was much more affordable. She took those classes with Main Campus students who paid a hell of a lot more than she did.
__________________
KAQ - 1870
With twin stars and kites above.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-22-2013, 10:53 PM
KSUViolet06 KSUViolet06 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 18,142
Two of KSU's branches are on the list, but I am pretty sure that they only offer 2 year degrees. You can START a BA/BS at any of them, but in order to finish, you have to transfer to Main or to another 4 year university.
__________________
"Remember that apathy has no place in our Sorority." - Kelly Jo Karnes, Pi

Lakers Nation.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-22-2013, 11:02 PM
IrishLake IrishLake is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: What's round on the ends and high in the middle?
Posts: 3,047
That is not the case with the OU branches. You can get a 4 year through them, including a BSN. It's shitty that this study included students who transfer to other schools. It would be nice to see the statistics without that factored in.
__________________
KAQ - 1870
With twin stars and kites above.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-23-2013, 08:56 AM
Kevin Kevin is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Posts: 18,654
Quote:
Originally Posted by sigmagirl2000 View Post
You forgot to mention that they have a 48.4% acceptance rate. This scares me.... How bad do the other 51.6% of applicants have to be?
I've heard some real horror stories about Southern University in Baton Rouge, i.e., professors who refused to teach, telling the class "I got mine." Just ridiculous if true. Some of these schools have huge administrative/cultural issues.

As to Rogers State in Claremore, OK. That's really just unacceptable. Their President makes over $200K and this:

Quote:
Rogers State University in Claremore, Oklahoma, had three employees who earned more ($147,000 a year) than the state’s chief executive in Fiscal Year 2010. Six other employees had earnings between $100,000 and the governor’s wage, CapitolBeatOK’s examination of state records has found.
http://capitolbeatok.com/reports/rog...100-000-a-year

As to the other Oklahoma school, Cameron, it's a 4-year liberal arts university. It's close enough to Norman and Edmond to assume it's mostly just local kids who transfer away once they get comfortable with college. Also, locally, the oilfield is booming. I see HS dropouts who make $60,000+ salaries working in the oil fields.
__________________
SN -SINCE 1869-
"EXCELLING WITH HONOR"
S N E T T
Mu Tau 5, Central Oklahoma
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-23-2013, 09:23 AM
AOII Angel AOII Angel is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Santa Monica/Beverly Hills
Posts: 8,636
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
I've heard some real horror stories about Southern University in Baton Rouge, i.e., professors who refused to teach, telling the class "I got mine." Just ridiculous if true. Some of these schools have huge administrative/cultural issues.

As to Rogers State in Claremore, OK. That's really just unacceptable. Their President makes over $200K and this:



http://capitolbeatok.com/reports/rog...100-000-a-year

As to the other Oklahoma school, Cameron, it's a 4-year liberal arts university. It's close enough to Norman and Edmond to assume it's mostly just local kids who transfer away once they get comfortable with college. Also, locally, the oilfield is booming. I see HS dropouts who make $60,000+ salaries working in the oil fields.
Just to be clear, the article isn't talking about Southern University, it is talking about Southern in New Orleans. Southern University main campus has had issues in the past with pass rates for it's Law School and Nursing School, but they have improved dramatically.
__________________

AOII

One Motto, One Badge, One Bond and Singleness of Heart!





Last edited by AOII Angel; 09-23-2013 at 09:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-23-2013, 09:28 AM
Benzgirl Benzgirl is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Out in Left Field
Posts: 7,510
Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishLake View Post
That is not the case with the OU branches. You can get a 4 year through them, including a BSN. It's shitty that this study included students who transfer to other schools. It would be nice to see the statistics without that factored in.

While the Ohio State branches are not listed, you can now get some four-year degrees there. When I was in school (in the dark ages), the only degree you could get at a branch was and Education degree. They started expanding it to most of the liberal arts and social sciences.

tOSU starts many students here that don't get in to the C-bus campus and a good number do transfer after their get their basic requirements done. It's more or less a trial run to see how well they do after 1 or 2 years.
__________________
When did GC become Twitter?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Army suicide rate could pass rate for general population this year KSUViolet06 News & Politics 18 09-13-2008 09:10 PM
How good is your college graduation rate? moe.ron Academics 17 02-08-2005 12:38 PM
Police departments: Public safety or public revenue AXEAM Omega Psi Phi 4 05-12-2004 04:54 PM
"Best" College Football Teams: Graduation Rate of AA Athletes AKA2D '91 Alpha Phi Alpha 4 12-18-2003 09:06 PM
City Public Service is neither Public nor a Service. Discuss. lifesaver Chit Chat 5 03-04-2002 07:26 PM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.