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Old 08-14-2012, 02:45 PM
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As much as I feel I understand RFM, I do have a question for the super experienced. Let's use Auburn 2012 as an example. Some houses were way over what I have read was quota (58??) So if a house is 10 over, do you feel those 10 are from quota additions from girls that were low on that specific chapter's bid list (as all girls at preference are on each preference chapter's bid list somewhere) and that girl either only pref'd that house or pref'd more than one and she was simply not as low on ABC as DEF? As work week is starting, I guess I am just trying to have a deeper understanding of RFM then what is explained (which at times is "it's complicated, but it works...trust the process) I had always felt chapters that took on more girls than quota were either under total to begin with, but from what I now understand that is not true and that all chapters have to take quota additions (to reward girls that maximized their options) unless it was arranged prior to recruitment to not take anything over quota.

As always, my biggest ICS/RFM experiences are with smaller scale recruitments so gurus, please correct me:

The QAs with RFM are typically those women who listed that chapter #1. They have also maxmized their options (listed all 3 choices.) You're not eligible to be a QA to any chapter if you don't maximize your options. So yes, you're right in that QAs reward those women who do so.

The main purpose of QAs is to place as many women (who have played by the rules) with their top choices.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:48 PM
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Wouldn't women who listed a chapter first and were also on the first bid list not need to be QAs?
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:52 PM
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I wonder if Auburn will consider opening for sorority expansion within the next couple of years? With all chapters meeting quota year after year, I'd imagine it would be considered. There are still 9 wonderful NPC sororities that do not have chapters at Auburn.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:53 PM
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My daughter is a very happy new DZ! The grapevine says that cuts were very hard this year. I can honestly say that I believe that a girl who gets a bid to ANY sorority at Auburn (and probably any SEC school!) should count herself as fortunate. We know of some who were not so lucky Congratulations to all the proud mamas and happy daughters! This week has been one of the most stressful of my life and I'm just glad it had a happy ending!
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:55 PM
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Congratulations future pnmmom! Great to hear!
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:00 PM
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Congratulations to all the wonderful new pledges at Auburn! My daughter is a proud new member of Zeta Tau Alpha. And I agree with future mom....all the chapters at Auburn are so great.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:01 PM
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Wouldn't women who listed a chapter first and were also on the first bid list not need to be QAs?
You're right. It's more for those who play by the rules but aren't as high up.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:52 PM
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As always, my biggest ICS/RFM experiences are with smaller scale recruitments so gurus, please correct me:

The QAs with RFM are typically those women who listed that chapter #1. They have also maxmized their options (listed all 3 choices.) You're not eligible to be a QA to any chapter if you don't maximize your options. So yes, you're right in that QAs reward those women who do so.

The main purpose of QAs is to place as many women (who have played by the rules) with their top choices.
No. The goal of RFM is that everybody girl who sticks it out through all of recruitment gets matched with a bid somewhere.

If a PNM does not match in the top of the list for any of her three groups before they get to quota, she is generally placed in whichever of the three is smaller. This can very from school to school. At some schools they have it so that a QA will go to whichever of her top two choices is smaller, but is not necessarily her #1. (If all are the same size - the tie breaker might be her choice.)

The RFM specialist sets quota. She often will try to set it so that as many women as possible are matched AND that every chapter makes quota. Statistically, this happens then that a very large fraction of women will get their top choice from preference.

Thus every chapter making quota means that - in general - the Greek system is strong. (It does not necessarily mean ready for expansion.)

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Old 08-14-2012, 04:01 PM
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^^^Thank you. I'm deep in lesson planning right now so if it's not related to my kiddos, it's not in the front of my mind. I promise I know what I'm talking about. lol.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:02 PM
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Congrats to all of you at Auburn!! I know you moms are sooo glad it's over..now for the fun part!
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:11 PM
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^^^Thank you. I'm deep in lesson planning right now so if it's not related to my kiddos, it's not in the front of my mind. I promise I know what I'm talking about. lol.
No worries, I looked at the math again and found that if quota is set a little low then more women are matched with their first choice but that might not always be the case.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:46 PM
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No. The goal of RFM is that everybody girl who sticks it out through all of recruitment gets matched with a bid somewhere.

If a PNM does not match in the top of the list for any of her three groups before they get to quota, she is generally placed in whichever of the three is smaller. This can very from school to school. At some schools they have it so that a QA will go to whichever of her top two choices is smaller, but is not necessarily her #1. (If all are the same size - the tie breaker might be her choice.)

The RFM specialist sets quota. She often will try to set it so that as many women as possible are matched AND that every chapter makes quota. Statistically, this happens then that a very large fraction of women will get their top choice from preference.

Thus every chapter making quota means that - in general - the Greek system is strong. (It does not necessarily mean ready for expansion.)
This. The chapters that have the largest new member classes (which means they took the most QAs) are generally the ones who were able to invite more to their preference parties based on return stats from prior years. Many people look at bid lists where everyone made quota and assume the largest new member classes equal the strongest recruiting chapters and that really isn't the case.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:23 PM
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This. The chapters that have the largest new member classes (which means they took the most QAs) are generally the ones who were able to invite more to their preference parties based on return stats from prior years. Many people look at bid lists where everyone made quota and assume the largest new member classes equal the strongest recruiting chapters and that really isn't the case.
Agreed. Also, I heard from an adviser at Auburn that quota was 58, so all chapters did indeed make quota (which isn't that surprising with a strong system under RFM). Quota is down slightly from last year.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:47 PM
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I am so glad that all the girls are so happy!!!! I really think my dau's unhappiness is because she got her 3rd choice, not the choice itself. Hopefully she can move past that. Its like she had a huge global meltdown today and needed 4 xanax!! Its that 'this only happened to me and I'm gonna cry about it because I want to' kind of thing. I know there were girls that were cut out of rush, or cut themselves out, so I think she's being a little selfish. Tomorrow is a new day, and she's coming home to pick up some things, hopefully her self-confidence will be there as well.

Thanks so much everyone, its been a difficult day, and ya'll made it better!!!!
While most PNMs do get their first choice, if you ever see statistics from Panhellenic recruitments throughout the country, within those statistics, you will see the number who received their first, second and third choices, and will also see a number for "Unmatched". These are PNMs who have attended Prep but do not receive a bid. Miami University has posted their statistics in the past (and not for at least one month following bid day), and you might be surprised how the process pans out.

We all know that all chapters at Auburn are fantastic and what is more important than the actives who say they want you is how your daughter becomes friends with her new member class and stays friends for the rest of their lives.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:00 PM
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This. The chapters that have the largest new member classes (which means they took the most QAs) are generally the ones who were able to invite more to their preference parties based on return stats from prior years. Many people look at bid lists where everyone made quota and assume the largest new member classes equal the strongest recruiting chapters and that really isn't the case.
And it would be such a shame if we let weaker recruiting chapters enjoy a positive moment rather than making sure everyone understood that their QAs were just because their previous stats were bad.
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