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thetalady · #16 01-22-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta

In terms of bids being binding for a calendar year, COB is DIFFERENT; we cleared this up a while back. It's not open to interpretation, it's in black and white in the MOI/Green Book.

OK, just so I am clear.... bids given during COB are NOT binding for 1 year, just till the next formal recruitment on campus. Right?

Bids given during formal recruitment ARE binding for 1 year (not binding to the specific day, but beginning of next formal recruitment on campus as well.)

The result is that a girl who drops out after accepting a bid during formal recruitment is prohibted from COB the next semester. No such restriction on the girl who drops after accepting a COB bid. She can rush the next formal recruitment period.

Tell me if I missed something!

Titchou · #17 01-22-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta

You're in the car until the wheels fall off, Titchou. Count on it.

You know me- clamped on like a pit bull when I think I'm right!

gatordeltapgh · #18 01-22-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thetalady

OK, just so I am clear.... bids given during COB are NOT binding for 1 year, just till the next formal recruitment on campus. Right?

Bids given during formal recruitment ARE binding for 1 year (not binding to the specific day, but beginning of next formal recruitment on campus as well.)

The result is that a girl who drops out after accepting a bid during formal recruitment is prohibted from COB the next semester. No such restriction on the girl who drops after accepting a COB bid. She can rush the next formal recruitment period.

Tell me if I missed something!

Correct, but the language used is "primary recruitment period" to account for schools who use a partially structured format as their primary recruitment. This change was approved fall 2011 and published in the March 2012 MOI 17th Ed. Last year there were two releases of the MOI, one in January and one in March.

Sister AXO Rush Advisor, you can download the March 2012 version on our website.

AOII Angel · #19 01-22-2013, 09:29 PM

I'd still bring that MOI with the annotated page with me to the GA's office. That's such a new change, it wouldn't be unusual to see that not upheld. Stranger things have happened than Greek Life offices not following the letter of the law.

AZTheta · #20 01-22-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

You know me- clamped on like a pit bull when I think I'm right!

It's an "old" prison expression (one of my friends has been serving a life sentence since the mid 80s, no parole, and no I am not going to discuss it so don't ask, but that's who taught me this expression): "in the car" = aligned, in the posse, etc. There are variants: when you have a disagreement, you might get put in the back seat, or in the trunk. Speaking of Pitbull, oh - nevermind.

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I'd still bring that MOI with the annotated page with me to the GA's office. That's such a new change, it wouldn't be unusual to see that not upheld. Stranger things have happened than Greek Life offices not following the letter of the law.

yup, this^^^. So all my posturing is just that - posturing, b/c it's in black and white, and that would be the thing to do - what you said, AOII Angel. Exactly. Thanks

The END. Until it comes up again. Which it will.

Titchou · #21 01-23-2013, 06:58 AM

Some people meet with the GA without the MOI?????? Wow...not something I would do! Mine is always with me at these meetings....

And the pit bull statement is an old redneck one....

AZTheta · #22 01-23-2013, 07:29 AM

Let's start up a business, Titchou. We can meet with GAs everywhere because from what I've seen on these boards, there's a lot of pretty crazy stuff going on and someone needs to be the pit bull posse. It's that kind of day for me. You in?

AOII Angel · #23 01-23-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

Some people meet with the GA without the MOI?????? Wow...not something I would do! Mine is always with me at these meetings....

And the pit bull statement is an old redneck one....

Collegians would be smart to do the same!

thetalady · #24 01-23-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gatordeltapgh

Correct, but the language used is "primary recruitment period" to account for schools who use a partially structured format as their primary recruitment. This change was approved fall 2011 and published in the March 2012 MOI 17th Ed. Last year there were two releases of the MOI, one in January and one in March.

Thank you, I appreciate the help :-)

Titchou · #25 01-23-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta

Let's start up a business, Titchou. We can meet with GAs everywhere because from what I've seen on these boards, there's a lot of pretty crazy stuff going on and someone needs to be the pit bull posse. It's that kind of day for me. You in?

All in!

TriDeltaSallie · #26 01-23-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaffyKD

Dropping out because a chapter is small tells me you don't want to do the work. Dropping out now gives you no guarantee you will be extended a bid by another chapter in fall-- you will be further along in school and you have proven you are not willing to take on a leadership role to assist the chapter. A new colony will most likely not consider you for membership as they need leaders to build their chapter.

DaffyKD

To be fair to the OP, she never mentioned size as a factor.

adpiucf · #27 01-23-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by freedombliss

I'm a new student this semester at Arizona state university. I knew right off the bat that I wanted to be in a sorority, so u decided to do spring recruitment even though only three chapters are recruiting. I went to the first chapters recruitment party, and within a few days I had accepted a bid from them without meeting ANY of the others. All the girls were so nice, but I realized on bid day that I really didn't mesh with them, and that the sorority wasn't for me, but at that point I was too polite to say no. This is a huge commitment, and I need to be fair to myself by picking the house that is best for me, and give them all a fair shot. I want to do fall recruitment, but I know if I drop now that I have to wait an entire year before I can accept another bid. This means that I will have to wait three semesters before I can do the fall recruit, and I just feel like I'm going to miss out on so much!! Is there any way around this?! I can't believe I acted so naively. Please help!!!

You can only move forward. Yes, in hindsight, it probably wasn't a good idea to pledge this sorority. But it is flattering when you don't know many people to be asked to events and then to join a group. You need to know that initiation binds you to this sorority forever. Sure, you can later drop out, but being initiated means you can't ever join another sorority.

Don't drop out just yet, but do give it a few weeks and make a real effort to get involved. If you get to initiation week, and you're still not feeling it, drop out. You drop out by making sure your dues are current and paid up, and giving a dated letter to your chapter president, and talking with her to make sure there is nothing else that needs to be done. You also give all of your sorority items and your pin back to the chapter (anything with letters, crests, etc., on it; even clothing items with the sorority name). Make sure you are paid up and provide this letter, or they can continue to assess dues and seek payment. Once you drop, you are not a member anymore and are not to wear or display anything with the sorority letters.

Then, you are free to go through formal recruitment in the fall. You may or may not be successful in formal recruitment, but if you really can't see yourself in this chapter there's no need to be miserable.

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Originally Posted by DaffyKD

Once upon a time, when dinosaurs roamed college campuses and new members were pledges, there was a chapter on a large campus that went into rush with less than 10 members. They pledged NO ONE. The members sat down with the national officers and discussed their options 1) close the chapter, 2) find some way to revitalize the chapter. The members voted to revitalize. They worked and worked. That fall they more than tripled their membership. Their sisters from other chapters helped them with rush, helped them build sisterhood, were there for them the entire year. They again increased their membership during spring recruitment (can't remember if they also had a winter class as they are on tri-mesters). Within 2 years they were almost to total.

Small chapters can grow with the help of other sisters and with new members who want to do the work to help them grow. Although they were an old established chapter, but had to learn to work together in the same way a new colony has to work together.

Dropping out because a chapter is small tells me you don't want to do the work. Dropping out now gives you no guarantee you will be extended a bid by another chapter in fall-- you will be further along in school and you have proven you are not willing to take on a leadership role to assist the chapter. A new colony will most likely not consider you for membership as they need leaders to build their chapter.

DaffyKD

I agree that if you don't want to do the work, you drop out. However, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, there was a similar chapter on my campus. They revitalized and it went great... for a few years. Then they were back in the same position and made the mature and difficult decision to relinquish their charter. Was it an easy decision? No. But it was the best decision given their circumstances. My point is that for every small chapter that rallies and makes it, there's a 50/50 chance of failure despite everyone's best intentions. And if you're not the type of person who wants to make your sorority your life, then I think it is a good idea to drop out and avoid the work. Why make yourself miserable? It doesn't do anyone any good.

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Originally Posted by Old_Row

How can you suddenly realize on bid day that you don't mesh with a group? Sounds like you aren't bothering to give them a chance because you think you can do better than they are. They are probably better off if you quit if that's the way you are feeling but realize that in the fall you may not receive a bid from anyone.

I agree that you need to give the new sorority a fair shake, OP. First impressions matter, yes, but sometimes you have to take some time to get to know a group. Give them a few weeks and make a real effort to make friends and get along. I wish you the best of luck with whatever decision you make.

SoCalGirl · #28 01-25-2013, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Which I think is complete bullshit and stigmatizes COB even more by making it seem like the bids given then don't count for as much. But anyway.

I'd argue that if COB bids did bind girls for a full year, and make them ineligible for formal recruitment, even fewer girls would "risk" going through COB in the first place.