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Old 04-26-2018, 10:09 AM
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It is appears now that the University's response was waaaay over-the-top. These things sometimes go well. SAE at the University of Oklahoma got what was coming to them, though I do think the students expelled in that case have pretty good civil rights claims.

As defamation cases go, the University's extremely public response to this incident without the benefit of a full investigation, jumping to conclusions without getting all of the facts.. yeah... they'd better get ready to write some checks. I'm guessing that the $1 million each has something to do with New York's Tort Claims Act limits.
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Old 04-27-2018, 01:30 AM
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You're also not 19-22. According to them, they were not engaging in blatant racist activity, they were roasting a conservative/Trump voting brother by portraying him as a white nationalist.
I wasn't racist nor saying such offensive things with my sorority sisters between the ages of 19 and 22.

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These are the same kind of kids who play Cards Against Humanity. I'm sure you would never even in a joking way say or do these things.
I've played Cards Against Humanity. I guess I must have missed the cards with the racial slurs on them.
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Old 04-27-2018, 02:35 AM
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So in other words they were doing something like the movie CSA?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S....tes_of_America

It’s very hard to know if their explanation holds water without personally knowing these guys, but as I’ve said before, if you have to explain something is satire, it probably isn’t very good satire.

And even if it WAS good satire (like the movie cited above) people will chop it up and take it out of context.
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Old 04-27-2018, 02:10 PM
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I've played Cards Against Humanity. I guess I must have missed the cards with the racial slurs on them.
I guess there are no racial overtones whatsoever to "a big black dick" or in the expansion pack, "an even bigger black dick."

And there's nothing racist at all about the "Jew Pack" containing prompts about the holocaust, torturing Jews and Anne Frank's genitals.

Here's an article which does a content analysis of the Cards Against Humanity game which finds, among other things that

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It empowers White players in the group to say and do things that are unacceptable in virtually any other setting; explicitly racist speech is almost always sanctioned; however, Cards Against Humanity bypasses this norm.
It's really exactly the kind of humor these kids are being expelled for. I wonder if any of the administrators involved has played this game?
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Old 04-27-2018, 02:57 PM
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I guess there are no racial overtones whatsoever to "a big black dick" or in the expansion pack, "an even bigger black dick."

And there's nothing racist at all about the "Jew Pack" containing prompts about the holocaust, torturing Jews and Anne Frank's genitals.

Here's an article which does a content analysis of the Cards Against Humanity game which finds, among other things that



It's really exactly the kind of humor these kids are being expelled for. I wonder if any of the administrators involved has played this game?
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http://www.academia.edu/34277608/Equ...ainst_Humanity
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I guess there are no racial overtones whatsoever to "a big black dick" or in the expansion pack, "an even bigger black dick."

And there's nothing racist at all about the "Jew Pack" containing prompts about the holocaust, torturing Jews and Anne Frank's genitals.
I had to Google this, because I didn't think it could actually be real. Please tell me that people were outraged when that came out.

I guess it's been a really long while since I've played - I actually find the game rather boring. But perhaps that just means I'm too old and "uncool".

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Here's an article which does a content analysis of the Cards Against Humanity game which finds, among other things that


It's really exactly the kind of humor these kids are being expelled for. I wonder if any of the administrators involved has played this game?
Exactly the same "humor"? Eh, I'm not so sure. But I guess for me, I've never found a reason to utter a racial slur - nor have I thought about it, even in a joking way - so I interpret this as being different. But perhaps it isn't.

Either way, I really can't blame the school for taking this as seriously as they have in the current climate this country is in. And there's video which will live forever on the internet. The school can't just ignore that and say, "Everyone, chill. It was a joke."
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Old 04-27-2018, 04:01 PM
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Exactly the same "humor"? Eh, I'm not so sure. But I guess for me, I've never found a reason to utter a racial slur - nor have I thought about it, even in a joking way - so I interpret this as being different. But perhaps it isn't.
You had to Google it because you didn't think it could be real? Either you didn't play this game, or this stuff really doesn't offend you, because, if we are to believe you are as offended by all of this as you say you are, how could you not remember this? I regularly advise my actives against playing this game as I can only imagine the fallout if some video of some college kids playing this game was ever to be made public in today's PC climate.

What happened here according to the Fraternity--uttering racial slurs to make fun of someone who was associated loosely with people who actually do make racial slurs because that individual would be embarrassed to be associated with, for example, white nationalists.

I tend to believe the Fraternity if the affidavits filed in the lawsuit are correct and one of the people being disciplined for this was African American, another Jewish.

What happens with CAH--uttering racially charged words, not because anyone wants to denigrate anyone's race, but because the rules dictate that you have to come up with the most shocking/humorous combination of cards given the options in your hand. And you might be holding only these cards: "A big black dick, "an even bigger black dick," "the holocaust," "Anne Frank's genitalia," "slavery," and "not giving a shit about the third world." (all actual cards). I don't think anyone should be allowed to police what anyone else finds funny. That seems a tad thought-policey.

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Either way, I really can't blame the school for taking this as seriously as they have in the current climate this country is in. And there's video which will live forever on the internet. The school can't just ignore that and say, "Everyone, chill. It was a joke."
They could. They actually could do that. They could allow for an actual investigation without expelling an organization permanently, expelling students permanently, suspending others from academics as finals are coming up. That was totally an option and now they have a multimillion dollar lawsuit to contend with. I hope SU writes some big 'ol checks. Maybe that'll slow the roll of future administrations wanting to pander to the PC mob.
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That's the correct link.
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You had to Google it because you didn't think it could be real? Either you didn't play this game, or this stuff really doesn't offend you, because, if we are to believe you are as offended by all of this as you say you are, how could you not remember this? I regularly advise my actives against playing this game as I can only imagine the fallout if some video of some college kids playing this game was ever to be made public in today's PC climate.
So your assumption is that everyone who's ever played CAH has heard of the Jew Pack? I've never bought this game, nor have I ever been inclined to. Why should I have heard of this?

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What happened here according to the Fraternity--uttering racial slurs to make fun of someone who was associated loosely with people who actually do make racial slurs because that individual would be embarrassed to be associated with, for example, white nationalists.
As I said, slurs are on a different level for me, but I guess they aren't for everyone.

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I tend to believe the Fraternity if the affidavits filed in the lawsuit are correct and one of the people being disciplined for this was African American, another Jewish.

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They could. They actually could do that. They could allow for an actual investigation without expelling an organization permanently, expelling students permanently, suspending others from academics as finals are coming up. That was totally an option and now they have a multimillion dollar lawsuit to contend with. I hope SU writes some big 'ol checks. Maybe that'll slow the roll of future administrations wanting to pander to the PC mob.
They can sue, and I'm sure they'll win, but at what point do our members start acting intelligently? When do we start holding them accountable? When does "We didn't mean to" not count as an excuse? This isn't just a bunch of PC bull****. Take this case of a DPhiE sister - she was quickly stripped of her membership. I say good. No organization should have to deal with this.

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Old 04-27-2018, 06:47 PM
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If these members are in a position to sue and win, compared to the University, they acted intelligently. I'm guessing the administration violated even their own policies in processing these disciplinary actions so quickly. I don't think "we didn't mean to" is what they're saying. My takeaway is that they can't understand how anyone would view their actions as problematic when considered in context. I don't think these gentlemen owe anyone an apology. On the other hand, there are a lot of folks who owe them an apology.
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