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Old 10-21-2015, 04:28 PM
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2015-2016 Schools that Need to Open for NPC Extension

This is a sequel to this thread.

This list wasn't very satisfying because they are all so obvious. I could have come up with 75 more that need expansion, but aren't in the top 25. For this list I limited myself to 25 schools, and I tried to focus on fall recruitments only (a new list can happen in spring). Of course there is one exception, but that makes the rule, I guess. Obviously there might be compelling reasons that expansion will not happen at the schools listed (I'm looking at you, Texas and Arizona). This list just means the numbers alone seem to strongly support a need. Any school that is open or has colonization planned/occurring was not considered.

1. University of Arkansas (Q 127-166, QLY same, T 440, 10 NPC, last colonies AXO and PM 2012)
2. University of Arizona (Q 103, QLY 107, T 293, 12 NPC, last colony AXO 2013)
3. Missouri State (Q 94, QLY 78, T 244, 7 NPC, last colony SSS 2013)
4. Florida State (Q90, QLY 87, T 239?, 17 NPC, last colony AOII 2013)
5. Mississippi State (Q 86, QLY 82, T ?, 8 NPC, last colony ADPi 2013)
6. Baylor (QLY 84, T ?, 8 NPC, last colony SK 1989-1994)
7. University of Colorado (Q 80?, QLY 80, T 235?, 9 NPC, last colony GPB 1999)
8. University of Oklahoma (Q 80, QLY 82, T 275?, 11 NPC, last colony AP 2007)
9. University of Missouri (Q83, QLY 90, T 317, 15 NPC, last colony SK 2012)
10. University of Nevada Reno (Q77, QLY 86, T 222, 5 NPC, last colony AOII 2015) *rumor Pi Phi may return 2015* (edit: Pi Phi is returning Spring 2017)
11. San Diego State (Q80+, QLY 70, T ?, 9 NPC, last colony AGD 2014)
12. Louisiana Tech (Q 67, QLY 59, T ?, 4 NPC, last colony DG 1986-2003)
13. Troy (Q 70, QLY 57, T 188, 6 NPC, last colony XO 1977)
14. Colorado State (Q 68, QLY 60, T ?, 8 NPC. last colony KAT 2014)
15. Georgia Southern (Q 73, QLY 66, T 226, 7 NPC, last colony DPhiE 2012) *rumor XO is returning*
16. University of Southern California (Q 71, QLY 69, T 200+, 11 NPC, last colony AGD 2014)
17. Florida Atlantic (Q 67, QLY 55, T ?, 6 NPC, last colony PM 2013)
18. Clemson (Q 62, QLY 61, T 222, 12 NPC, last colony AP 2012)
19. Princeton (Q 53-63, 3 NPC, last colony DDD 1990-2005)
20. University of Louisiana - Lafayette (Q 62, QLY 53, T 121?, 6 NPC, ADPi 2014)
21. Southern Illinois - Edwardsville (Q 56-60, QLY 58, T 134?, 4 NPC, last colony AXiD 2014)
22. University of Texas (Q 61, QLY 65, T 255, 14 NPC, last colony AGD 1985-1996)
23. Georgia Tech (Q 62, QLY 50, T 164, 7 NPC, last colony AP 2009)
24. East Carolina (Q 61, QLY 57, T 154, 10 NPC, last colony PM 2013)
25. Stephen F Austin (Q 54, QLY 48, T ?, 5 NPC, last colony GPB 1990-1994)

I have about 20 honorable mentions. Mostly schools where quota isn't crazy high, but the number of NPCs is too low. (For example, CSU East Bay where quota was 48 and they have 2 NPCs.)

Thanks you Texas A&M for opening up and Texas State for forming an exploratory committee - that saved 2 spaces on the list!
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:37 PM
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Alabama needs to open up, but don't know if there's space to build a house and to be competitive an org would need one. Also don't know how 'the machine' would affect opening up.
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:51 PM
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Total at Georgia Tech is closer to 200 but I don't know exactly what it is. Alpha Gamma Delta posted on their instagram that they have 215 sisters.

From the master site plan for Alabama, there are like 3 lots available for a new group to build a house, but I know a lot of musical house construction has been going on, so that may have been a factor in why groups haven't gone forward with expansion there.

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Old 10-21-2015, 06:14 PM
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I'll take your lead and highlight my top 5. And since 2 cents is always required, my commentary
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1. University of Arkansas (Q 127-166, QLY same, T 440, 10 NPC, last colonies AXO and PM 2012) I think maybe the 2 colonies at once was a little stressful on the system, but I agree, and while I don't feel completely confident on this, I THINK they have the housing problem worked out, right? So anyone with deep enough pockets should be able to conquer this one.
2. University of Arizona (Q 103, QLY 107, T 193, 12 NPC, last colony AXO 2013)
3. Missouri State (Q 94, QLY 78, T 244, 7 NPC, last colony SSS 2013)
4. Florida State (Q90, QLY 87, T 239?, 17 NPC, last colony AOII 2013)
5. Mississippi State (Q 86, QLY 82, T ?, 8 NPC, last colony ADPi 2013)
6. Baylor (QLY 84, T ?, 8 NPC, last colony SK 1989-1994)
7. University of Colorado (Q 80?, QLY 80, T 235?, 9 NPC, last colony GPB 1999) Why hasn't this one opened up yet? It seems to have needed it for 4 or 5 years.
8. University of Oklahoma (Q 80, QLY 82, T 275?, 11 NPC, last colony AP 2007)
9. University of Missouri (Q83, QLY 90, T 317, 15 NPC, last colony SK 2012) I don't know about housing here, but I want it to open and I want us to get it, so I'm putting this in my top 5.
10. University of Nevada Reno (Q77, QLY 86, T 222, 5 NPC, last colony AOII 2015) *rumor Pi Phi may return 2015*
11. San Diego State (Q80+, QLY 70, T ?, 9 NPC, last colony AGD 2014)
12. Louisiana Tech (Q 67, QLY 59, T ?, 4 NPC, last colony DG 1986-2003)
13. Troy (Q 70, QLY 57, T 188, 6 NPC, last colony XO 1977)
14. Colorado State (Q 68, QLY 60, T ?, 8 NPC. last colony KAT 2014)
15. Georgia Southern (Q 73, QLY 66, T 226, 7 NPC, last colony DPhiE 2012) *rumor XO is returning*
16. University of Southern California (Q 71, QLY 69, T 200+, 11 NPC, last colony AGD 2014)
17. Florida Atlantic (Q 67, QLY 55, T ?, 6 NPC, last colony PM 2013)
18. Clemson (Q 62, QLY 61, T 222, 12 NPC, last colony AP 2012)
19. Princeton (Q 53-63, 3 NPC, last colony DDD 1990-2005)
20. University of Louisiana - Lafayette (Q 62, QLY 53, T 121?, 6 NPC, ADPi 2014)
21. Southern Illinois - Edwardsville (Q 56-60, QLY 58, T 134?, 4 NPC, last colony AXiD 2014)
22. University of Texas (Q 61, QLY 65, T 255, 14 NPC, last colony AGD 1985-1996)
23. Georgia Tech (Q 62, QLY 50, T 164, 7 NPC, last colony AP 2009)
24. East Carolina (Q 61, QLY 57, T 154, 10 NPC, last colony PM 2013)
25. Stephen F Austin (Q 54, QLY 48, T ?, 5 NPC, last colony GPB 1990-1994)

I would also throw in LSU and Florida, but I definitely have a bias toward the huge schools
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Old 10-21-2015, 06:20 PM
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Space to build housing is an issue at several schools.
GA Tech -- from the campus map, I don't see available space (unless it's by the North Campus parking deck or the University President's house)
Univ. of Oklahoma -- what house is ADG using temporarily while their house is being repaired (fire damage)? Does KD still own their house if they were chosen to recolonize?
USC (California) - unless there's a fraternity that has recently closed, it would be difficult & costly to acquire housing in this area of Los Angeles. And, I believe, most of the sororities have security guards nightly (added cost).

irishpipes -- what are your honorable mentions?
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Old 10-21-2015, 08:09 PM
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Space to build housing is an issue at several schools.
GA Tech -- from the campus map, I don't see available space (unless it's by the North Campus parking deck or the University President's house)
Univ. of Oklahoma -- what house is ADG using temporarily while their house is being repaired (fire damage)? Does KD still own their house if they were chosen to recolonize?
USC (California) - unless there's a fraternity that has recently closed, it would be difficult & costly to acquire housing in this area of Los Angeles. And, I believe, most of the sororities have security guards nightly (added cost).

irishpipes -- what are your honorable mentions?
Since you asked

In no order:
U North Alabama (Q 45, QLY 37, 4 NPC, last colony AGD 1977)
U South Alabama (Q 47, QLY 39, 5 NPC, last colony AGD 1984)
Northern Arizona (Q 72, QLY 65, 8 NPC, last colony KD 2015)
U Central Arkansas (Q 52, QLY 54, 5 NPC, last colony SSS 2008)
CSU - East Bay (Q 48, QLY 44, T 80, 2 NPC, last colony AP 1987)
CSU Fullerton (Q 61, QLY 71, 6 NPC, last colony ZTA 1979)
CSU Los Angeles (Q 45, QLY 29, 2 NPC, last colony AST 1993)
Chapman (Q 60s, 8 NPC, last colony PBP 2015)
San Francisco State (Q 46, QLY 39, 3 NPC, last colony AGD 1991)
George Washington (Q 53ish, QLY 53, 10 NPC, last colony KD 2012)
McNeese State (Q 43, QLY 30, 3 NPC, last colony ZTA 1971-1982)
Nicholls State (Q 55, QLY 48, 3 NPC, last colony AST 1997-2002)
U Louisiana Monroe (Q 42, QLY 40, 3 NPC, last colony SK 1986-2003)
East Tennessee State (Q 50, QLY 50, 4 NPC, last colony AXiD 1996)
U Texas Arlington (Q 50ish, QLY 33, 3 NPC, last colony AXO)
Colgate (Q 50-60, 3 NPC, last colony DDD 1996)

Also, I didn't include Florida, LSU, or Ole Miss because they have current expansion underway. (But we all know the current expansion won't be enough.) I didn't include Alabama because I wasn't sure - is it open? Isn't it?

And most of the toughest, neediest schools have some major barrier to colonization - that's why they're desperate. Usually it's housing, but sometimes campus culture is a major issue.
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Old 10-22-2015, 12:35 AM
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Also, I didn't include Florida, LSU, or Ole Miss because they have current expansion underway. (But we all know the current expansion won't be enough.) I didn't include Alabama because I wasn't sure - is it open? Isn't it?
My understanding is that it's open for expansion, but that, of the sororities that aren't currently there, the groups are either not interested (at least right now) or don't have the resources to fully commit, so there aren't a lot of options left for the university.

Sigma Kappa/AXiD might be options in the future, but they didn't choose to apply the last time Bama opened up. They both are involved in a spate of other recent or upcoming bigger colonizations, so maybe when those are more established, they'll have more energy to put towards Alabama. But it's also possible that they have no intention of ever applying again since both seem to have some lingering negative feelings about their previous experiences at Bama. (And, I mean, it's just a huge commitment not only in terms of money but time and energy as well, and we have no clue when the Greek growth bubble that we're in the midst of is gonna pop.)

My understanding (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) is also that DPhiE was the only group that presented last time Alabama opened up, and the university chose not to extend them an invitation to colonize. I think they were planning their Georgia recolonization around the same time, though, and maybe that was part of the university's hesitation? But it's also possible they were worried about the alum base/culture fit/any one of a thousand things that won't change.

Beyond that I'm not really sure what options the university has. Does SDT still have a house there? It might be a good time for their nationals to come in and do a reorganization (by which I mean keep the current members but also try to do a big new rush with nationals' assistance--not sure what the correct terminology is for that). With Alabama taking increasingly more out-of-state students, there might be some more leeway for less traditional sorority experiences than there has been at Bama in the past.

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Old 10-22-2015, 12:53 AM
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But I think a goodly number of those OOS students who are going there and going Greek are there BECAUSE they want the traditional Southern sorority experience.
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Old 10-22-2015, 02:27 AM
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But I think a goodly number of those OOS students who are going there and going Greek are there BECAUSE they want the traditional Southern sorority experience.
OR...they want that experience, but are more open-minded about sororities and not so concerned with tiers like in-state girls or out-of-state girls with Bama friend or family connections would be. OR...if Rush just isn't working out for them, they haven't heard about being in ABC house their entire lives, so they're more open to other activities.

I went to HS with a ton of young women who were technically out of state, but grew up going to games and basically knew that they'd be going to Bama--and, they (and their moms!) also had an idea about which sororities they'd join.
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Old 10-22-2015, 12:37 PM
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Re: Alabama - I'm not any kind of official, but my feeling is that expansion is on hold right now due to construction. 3 houses are being built, and there are only two "swing" houses (older houses being used temporarily by sororities under construction) which means ZTA is unhoused right now.

Once those houses are occupied, there will be 3 more to build.
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Does SDT still have a house there?
SDT occupies a small university-owned houses on "new" fraternity row. They conduct their own recruitment separate from NPC's, although they are included (along with unhoused Christian sorority Alpha Delta Chi) in the Alabama Panhellenic Association.
They have been doing quite well the last few years.
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OMG CSU East Bay REALLY needs to expand!!!!!

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Since you asked

In no order:
U North Alabama (Q 45, QLY 37, 4 NPC, last colony AGD 1977)
U South Alabama (Q 47, QLY 39, 5 NPC, last colony AGD 1984)
Northern Arizona (Q 72, QLY 65, 8 NPC, last colony KD 2015)
U Central Arkansas (Q 52, QLY 54, 5 NPC, last colony SSS 2008)
CSU - East Bay (Q 48, QLY 44, T 80, 2 NPC, last colony AP 1987)
CSU Fullerton (Q 61, QLY 71, 6 NPC, last colony ZTA 1979)
CSU Los Angeles (Q 45, QLY 29, 2 NPC, last colony AST 1993)
Chapman (Q 60s, 8 NPC, last colony PBP 2015)
San Francisco State (Q 46, QLY 39, 3 NPC, last colony AGD 1991)
George Washington (Q 53ish, QLY 53, 10 NPC, last colony KD 2012)
McNeese State (Q 43, QLY 30, 3 NPC, last colony ZTA 1971-1982)
Nicholls State (Q 55, QLY 48, 3 NPC, last colony AST 1997-2002)
U Louisiana Monroe (Q 42, QLY 40, 3 NPC, last colony SK 1986-2003)
East Tennessee State (Q 50, QLY 50, 4 NPC, last colony AXiD 1996)
U Texas Arlington (Q 50ish, QLY 33, 3 NPC, last colony AXO)
Colgate (Q 50-60, 3 NPC, last colony DDD 1996)

Also, I didn't include Florida, LSU, or Ole Miss because they have current expansion underway. (But we all know the current expansion won't be enough.) I didn't include Alabama because I wasn't sure - is it open? Isn't it?

And most of the toughest, neediest schools have some major barrier to colonization - that's why they're desperate. Usually it's housing, but sometimes campus culture is a major issue.
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:25 PM
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Since you asked

In no order:
U North Alabama (Q 45, QLY 37, 4 NPC, last colony AGD 1977)
U South Alabama (Q 47, QLY 39, 5 NPC, last colony AGD 1984)
Northern Arizona (Q 72, QLY 65, 8 NPC, last colony KD 2015)
U Central Arkansas (Q 52, QLY 54, 5 NPC, last colony SSS 2008)
CSU - East Bay (Q 48, QLY 44, T 80, 2 NPC, last colony AP 1987)
CSU Fullerton (Q 61, QLY 71, 6 NPC, last colony ZTA 1979)
CSU Los Angeles (Q 45, QLY 29, 2 NPC, last colony AST 1993)
Chapman (Q 60s, 8 NPC, last colony PBP 2015)
San Francisco State (Q 46, QLY 39, 3 NPC, last colony AGD 1991)
George Washington (Q 53ish, QLY 53, 10 NPC, last colony KD 2012)
McNeese State (Q 43, QLY 30, 3 NPC, last colony ZTA 1971-1982)
Nicholls State (Q 55, QLY 48, 3 NPC, last colony AST 1997-2002)
U Louisiana Monroe (Q 42, QLY 40, 3 NPC, last colony SK 1986-2003)
East Tennessee State (Q 50, QLY 50, 4 NPC, last colony AXiD 1996)
U Texas Arlington (Q 50ish, QLY 33, 3 NPC, last colony AXO)
Colgate (Q 50-60, 3 NPC, last colony DDD 1996)

Also, I didn't include Florida, LSU, or Ole Miss because they have current expansion underway. (But we all know the current expansion won't be enough.) I didn't include Alabama because I wasn't sure - is it open? Isn't it?

And most of the toughest, neediest schools have some major barrier to colonization - that's why they're desperate. Usually it's housing, but sometimes campus culture is a major issue.
I don't see ULM expanding anytime soon. There is no problem with growing out of housing. There is a pretty established idea that 3 chapters can survive well, but a fourth will always fail. When SK left campus, ULM was getting 10 women total going through recruitment. It's amazing that the 3 remaining groups all survived that period.
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Old 10-21-2015, 06:31 PM
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It boggles my mind when I see chapter total being around 400. Arkansas seems to be asking for a new group to come in. lol
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I wonder if the non-recognition of the fraternities at Colorado is a factor? Yes the sororities are recognized, but they don't exist in a vacuum, and I can see where that would make some groups nervous. Especially if they don't have a lot of active alumnae in the area to keep an eye on things.

And I said this before but will say it again. I cannot BEEEEELLLIIEEEVE how much the name change at Missouri State has changed things there.
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Old 10-21-2015, 08:51 PM
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I wonder if the non-recognition of the fraternities at Colorado is a factor? Yes the sororities are recognized, but they don't exist in a vacuum, and I can see where that would make some groups nervous. Especially if they don't have a lot of active alumnae in the area to keep an eye on things.
I don't understand-none of the fraternities are recognized at UC-Boulder? This is what their Office of Greek Life website has to say:
"As a university we do not exercise direct control over the Greek system because sororities and fraternities at CU-Boulder are not legally affiliated with the university. On the other hand, the university does seek to influence the nature and operations of the Greek community that is recognized by the Panhellenic Association (Panhel) and the Multicultural Greek Council (MGC)."

But then when you go to the "Fraternity Life" subheading of the website it says "The University of Colorado Boulder is excited to announce that we are open to expansion and reaffiliation of all interfraternal organizations in good standing with their inter/national organization!"

So somehow the sororities are more recognized by the school than the fraternities?
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