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Old 01-22-2000, 08:03 PM
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Is there any way that Fred Hatchett can be stopped from posting on this site? Is that something that members can request, or is it something that has to be done through you?



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Old 01-22-2000, 08:30 PM
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I agree with Greg. True, everyone has the rite to speak their mind, but his negative presence is something that definitely doesn't belong here!

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Old 01-23-2000, 01:43 AM
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Greg,

You sound very secular humanistic.

If a person's mind is convicted, what can I do to change it? If what I am saying is so ignorant, stupid, or negative, what are you and others worried about. If you remove me, it would only be fair to remove those who use profanity, and those who have responded negatively towards me. Am I really a threat to the greeks? If not, leave me be. Let me be the fool you think I am.
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Old 01-23-2000, 04:06 AM
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The decision to ban any individual from posting in these forums is ultimately made by an administrator (currently I am the only one). Member opinions are VERY important and are taken seriously. Any action taken in this matter or others in the future will be a good part based on the opinions of members.

One of the interesting things that I see happening in this situation is that just about all of the messages posted by Fred seem to backfire on him and show greeks in a positive light (the positive coming from the many intelligent messages that are posted in reply). I'm thinking that if an individual who is interested in possibly joining a GLO visits greekchat.com for information - they will learn a lot, including how being a greek does not interfere with religious beliefs and in many cases actually strengthens devotion (a topic that I believe was started or commented on by Fred).

I can definitely see how all the members of this discussion system will soon tire of responding to Fred's redundant attempts to insult greeks & etc. I will also tire of keeping an eye on all of Fred's posts as to delete the ones that are inappropriate.

Before any definite decision is made on whether or not to ban Fred from participating in discussions at greekchat.com I would like to hear other member's opinions about this matter. Please post your take on this situation by replying to this message thread.

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Old 01-23-2000, 04:08 AM
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Fred,

Just over a week ago I requested through email that you tone down your messages as many of them are inappropriate for these forums. I've seen a little change, but not enough as you probably noticed that several of your messages over the past week have been deleted. If you forgot to read the rules (that you agreed to abide by) when you registered to be a member of greekchat.com, please do so now at http://www.greekchat.com/rules.htm

Regarding your comment about Greg being "secular humanistic" - if you've read any of Greg's posts regarding religion you would know that this is abolutely not the case. Comments like this one are some of the reasons that you may be banned from posting at greekchat.com

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Old 01-23-2000, 05:36 AM
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John
I would just like to say that Fred has been personally harassing me and I do not appreciate it. Somehow he found out my email and sent me a very nasty message basically saying that I will rot in hell because of my religious beliefs. I feel so violated, as I am strong in my religious beliefs. This is not a religious site, and I should not have to feel liket this. I do not appreciate this, as I never asked him to email me and condem me. I have politely asked him to leave me alone and he went against my wishes. If anything, please ban him because of the awful things that he has sent to me. If you would like more info on the awful things that he said, please leave another post and I will reply back to you.
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Old 01-23-2000, 10:01 AM
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John,

Many of his posts seem inapproriate for discussions of Greek Life. They center around bible quotes and claims that all brothers and sisters in GLO's need to repend from thier "wicked" ways, with the occasional tangent to some religious based belief, that has nothing to do with the Greek Community. Obstiant blanket statments and personal attacks to the members of this posting community may have the downside of users not registering or being scared away.

Members of the greekchat community should be willing to have open discussions about why they like or dislike the greek community. Providing examples about GLO's to support ideas is a wonderful concept.

The past few weeks a majority of the posts seem to be those refuting the blinded posts of a member hell-bent on condeming without listening to other memebers. His claims that he now has "new material" for his book based on discussions here is disheartining.

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Old 01-23-2000, 03:26 PM
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John

I will have to agree with everyone. This is not a religious site and unless the religion has to do with a certain GLO, then I agree it doesn't really belong here. True I have replied to these posts and I have even made a few myself, but this is because I am a religious person. I can understand how someone who is not religious could feel uncomfortable when reading these topics.

I came to this web site to share and receive information on GLOs. I have been able to do this a great deal, but lately, religion has been overshadowing all Greek topics. I think if religion wants to be discussed then there should be a religious section.

I will continue to correct those who miscontrue my opnions or beliefs, but I would never force them on anyone and I hope no one would force theirs on me. Unfortunately, Fred does not seem to agree with me on this.

Barbara, I don't know what was said to you, but Fred claims to be a religious person. He is always making comments on Jesus Christ, but Jesus was Jewish so I don't understand why he would make that comment to you. I can definitely understand how you would be offended by that.

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Old 01-23-2000, 04:26 PM
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The consensus of member opinions here seems to be that Fred Hatchett should no longer be allowed to post messages due to their offensive nature.

Fred, your greekchat.com account has been deactivated. Please refrain from attempting to gain further access to greekchat.com - any further abuses of our network will result in complaints being sent to your ISP.

All greekchat.com members who receive any type of offensive emails from Fred Hatchett are encouraged to email a complaint to his ISP and email provider as this is likely in violation of their acceptable use policy. Complaints can be emailed to abuse@aol.net , Compuserve (Fred's ISP) is one of their divisions. Be sure to include a copy of the offensive email including the full message header so that AOL staff can take appropriate action.



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Old 01-24-2000, 12:00 AM
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John -

I have already written to you regarding this matter, so you know my feelings on the subject.

This individual has written me as well, claiming that every Jew he speaks to has converted to Christianity. As a active member of the Conservative Jewish movement, I find this statement hard to believe and offensive.



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Old 01-24-2000, 08:29 AM
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I also have been e-mailed. I find fred to be offensive and closed minded. I asked him not to repeat his e-mails, but he continued to do so. Thank you for the info about aol. I will most definately write a message.

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Old 01-24-2000, 10:52 AM
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Thank you, John, for your prompt response in this matter.

To everyone else who posted, thank you for stating your opinion in this matter. I also have recieved e-mails from Fred. His emails to me were not ones of personal offense, but Iw as offended by the way he uses Christianty against everyone. This was my main reason for this topic start--although this is a GLO site, I do not want anyone on this site who is thinking about becoming a christian to get a bad impression by what Fred was posting.

Again, thank you everyone for their responses.

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Old 01-24-2000, 03:46 PM
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Thank you John for taking into consideration the feelings of this greek community and giving Fred his walking papers.
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Old 01-24-2000, 04:14 PM
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I can't say it enough....Thank you!!!!
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Old 01-25-2000, 08:49 AM
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At this time I am preparing a list of e-mails that fred has sent to me. I again asked him not to e-mail me last night. The response i recieved?

My e-mail:

"Stop e-mailing me please.

Thank you."

His response:

"I already did by mistake. I apologize."

What is that supposed to mean other than being a sarcastic jacka@%? To me that means that I will probably recieve more e-mails that are inapropriete(sp). That was the second time that I asked not to be contacted. If anyone else is being harrassed in the same manner. I srongly urge to you take John's advise and contact AOL. Trying to reach out to others and help lead them to christ is a noble cause. I don't believe that fred is doing this. In my opinion, sometimes evil people hide behind religion. History has proved that. Hitler used to quote passages from the Bible that he believed supported his cause. HMMMMM. He knew the Bible cover to cover. Does that make him rightous? I believe not. Hitler pursecuted many jews, What is fred doing? To stop fred, people must contact AOL to let them know what he is doing. They will review the e-mails and decide for themselves what action needs to be taken. I can change my e-mail address, but that won't stop him from harrassing other people. I might seem a little harsh. But I was very offended by his words. I have a hard time dealing with people who attack my religion and my beliefs. I also have a hard time with people who attack other religions. As someone at this site stated, "we are all children of god." Let God decided who is evil and who is good. Not us. Not Fred.

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