Sad situation at Alabama Recruitment

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

If your process allows alumnae to intercede, then yes, that needs to be public.

If your process allows racial discrimination, then yes, that needs to be public.

And so on.

These aren't public organizations you're talking about. The public has no right to know anything.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

AOII doesn't require a rec for a bid, but if I sent in a no rec (which would honestly be a really serious issue) the situation would be spelled out. When a chapter is discussing invitations for the next party and needs to cut someone, it's a no brainer to release the standards risk. I don't plan on no rec'ing anyone for being black.

I have never seen a "no rec" that didn't give a specific, concrete reason for its use, though I have seen some where the reasons were petty, and they were therefore disregarded.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PersistentDST

So...being I'm a results type of person...

What are possible solutions to this problem? Are there any? I'm interested in responses since my org runs things differently. I'm just curious.

Outlive the racists? I think short of every group sending reps to recruitment to make sure that this doesn't occur, my first suggestion is going to be it. Even with the HQ suggestion, I'm picturing alum hissy fits and threats in the middle of MS...a big scene. I won't hold my breath.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

These aren't public organizations you're talking about. The public has no right to know anything.

Unless the organizations are presenting themselves as groups where the membership is chosen by a certain subset, i.e. collegians. If that's a fraud then I agree w/ Sen.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I have never seen a "no rec" that didn't give a specific, concrete reason for its use, though I have seen some where the reasons were petty, and they were therefore disregarded.

Exactly my point. If you don't lay down a pretty good reason for your no rec, forget it. You'd better have the dirt...or do as others have suggested, write a note that says, "Call me!"

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Even with the HQ suggestion, I'm picturing alum hissy fits and threats in the middle of MS...a big scene. I won't hold my breath.

Maybe if the biddies' heads all exploded and it was made clear how unladylike they truly are, the problem would take care of itself.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Maybe if the biddies' heads all exploded and it was made clear how unladylike they truly are, the problem would take care of itself.

Can I buy a ticket to that show?

[PersistentDST]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Can I buy a ticket to that show?

I second that. It's entertaining to see someone's faulty belief system shut down...especially in public. Lol

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Unless the organizations are presenting themselves as groups where the membership is chosen by a certain subset, i.e. collegians. If that's a fraud then I agree w/ Sen.

And have you read anything on any NPC group's web site or other public papers that says it is only collegians who vote? I seriously doubt it.

And in 50 years as a member of my group, I have written maybe 4-5 No recs and I was City Sponsorship Chairman for over 10 years. And since our form is out there for anyone to find, yes, there's a place to mark that I do not recommend this woman and that the chapter adviser can call me about it. And believe me they do.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

And have you read anything on any NPC group's web site or other public papers that says it is only collegians who vote? I seriously doubt it.

Hence the word "unless"

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie

Someone else mentioned this in the comment of the article and I think it is true.

The irony is that the football team is followed like a religion at this school with their High Priest Nick Saban and it is full of black students. These same Greeks will do anything to follow their football team.

And yet they wouldn't let the sister of one of the players into their own group.

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

THIS. just thinking the same thing.....so ironic and not in a good way.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by cinder1965

THIS. just thinking the same thing.....so ironic and not in a good way.

Please kids. These are the same people who would think it was so cool to go to Harlem to see Billie Holliday sing, but damned if they would ever ask her over for dinner. They see black football players as entertainers, not as humans.

[PersistentDST]

Truth! It's fine for blacks to play on the football team as long as they are winning for the individuals. The racists only find blacks useful for them...not equal.

It's like back in the day when black artists/musicians played in "whites only" clubs/bars. "We love your music, but not you."

[carnation]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Please kids. These are the same people who would think it was so cool to go to Harlem to see Billie Holliday sing, but damned if they would ever ask her over for dinner. They see black football players as entertainers, not as humans.

I'm pretty sure that most people see white football players as entertainers as well.

[WestcoastWonder]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Please kids. These are the same people who would think it was so cool to go to Harlem to see Billie Holliday sing, but damned if they would ever ask her over for dinner. They see black football players as entertainers, not as humans.

THIS! Its sad that some women would see no problem in rooting on the black football players (there are plenty in bama) on their football team, but would not allow a qualified black girl to be a member of their sorority.