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03-31-2005, 10:31 AM
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I find it interesting that some organizations call their national president "Basileus" or "Grand Basileus". Is there a specific reason behind the use of this term as opposed to "president"? And how exactly does one pronounce Basileus?
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03-31-2005, 10:59 AM
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"Basileus" (bah-SILL- ee-us) basically means "king" in Greek; it was also a title used for Rulers in the Eastern Roman Empire. It comes from the same root as our modern English "basilica" (originally, a royal hall for holding court, later such a hall converted to a church or a church modeled after a basilica, still later a church having special status).
Without commenting at all (since I can't) on why some groups might have chosen to use the title "Basileus," I would note that it is not at all uncommon for GLOs to use -- publically or privately -- special titles for their officers, nor is it uncommon for those titles to be drawn from ancient Greek, Roman or similar sources.
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03-31-2005, 11:45 AM
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Borders in my area carries books like In Search of Sisterhood and The Divine Nine: The History of African American Fraternities and Sororities, and the public libraries have copies as well, but perhaps that's due to being in an area with strong Divine Nine presences.
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Many libraries and bookstores have at least one copy. It is not necessarily indicative of Divine Nine presence in the area. These are classified as "Black history books" in some areas.
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03-31-2005, 06:11 PM
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I hear what you are saying but the in a real sense the only way to combat misinformation is to be more open, and encourage the open interchange od voices. Of course, within the bounds of what is appropriate. One of the things I see today, at least in my fraternity circles, is the growth of spurious "traditions, many of which are inimical to the the truly venerable traditions. Some of this is due to the lack of transmittal of true traditions and meaningful interaction of older brothers with younger brothers as mentors. What are seen as venerable traditions are really recent innovations;but those who don't have the chronological perspective to understrand these things, take these things as "gospel." Input and mentoring from 20-, 40- and 50-year brothers would help them contextualize these developments and see their fraternity experience differently. I suppose the same could be said of women's groups also?
And this applies to extr-group communications. I was a Greek Teaching Fellow at my seminary Alma Mater, and I had a two Korean-American students, a husband and wife. After the wife found out that I was a Que, she told me her best friend was an AKA. And the first thing that came out of her mouth about me as an Omega man was I was a "bulldog." Later, the husband jokingly told me that in a conversation with her that she told him that I "acted like an Alpha." I interpreted that to mean that my persona didn't fit the Nasty Que dog image. (Mind you, our interaction was in a graduate school context in a theological seminary--was I supposed to "set out a hop" in class, and have some beer and chicken during the break! )I thought this was funny, and it showed how people who, seemingly, would not be affected by these stereotypes, held them. Only by exposure to other people and viewpoints can these assumptions be called into question. This is esserntially my argument and rationale for open dialogue, esp. in a forum like GC. Hey, you'll always have some knucklehead(s) try to stir something up to jerk your chain. But you don't have to take the bait.
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03-31-2005, 06:37 PM
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the only way to combat misinformation is to be more open, and encourage the open interchange od voices.
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That's fine. Just combat misinformation and be more open with Omega information only.
Let other organizations decide on their own what info to divulge.
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03-31-2005, 06:49 PM
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I've talked to a Kappa Alpha Psi about this as I noticed that their national publication is The Journal and for Kappa Alpha Order is the KA Journal. Also the KA Psi's crest had a shield in the same shape as KA's badge and a helmet at the top, similar to KA's coat of arms.
We thought it was interesting, but maybe other people wouldn't think so. Just an observation.
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If you understood heraldry, then you would know that the shape and placement of charges and symbols on a coat of arms are chosen to denote meaning. The foundational principles of Kappa Alpha Psi and Kappa Alpha Order are distinctly different - nearly diametrically opposed. Therefore, any observed "similarities" between our respective coats of arms are strictly coincidental.
Sigma Phi Epsilon also has a "Journal". Many publications from that era have the word "Journal" in their titles. It is the equivilent of using "Times" or "Inquirer" in the title. There is nothing significant to be observed there.
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03-31-2005, 06:51 PM
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RACooper--
The book you need to find and read is "Black Greek 101"...
It has been discussed on GC, so do a search.
It is rather comprehensive in its history...
You can buy it somewhere at some bookstore site if you truly want to know...
But there are things that will never beknownst to you or anyone who is not in these organizations because we are a very tight-knit group and close ranks very fast because of all the past injustices and Hells that have been endured.
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03-31-2005, 10:51 PM
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Your point is and should be well taken by all.
Some of the ebonomics wears thin and is unneeded.
As many have asked How do We as Greeks get along. Leaning is still a process that to many people have not learned yet.
Thank You for the info, I will try to take time to get it and read it.
Trueist statement, there will be parts of any Greek Organization that will be known only by those Members.
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03-31-2005, 10:55 PM
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Some of the ebonomics wears thin and is unneeded.
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interesting.
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03-31-2005, 11:09 PM
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RACooper--
The book you need to find and read is "Black Greek 101"...
It has been discussed on GC, so do a search.
It is rather comprehensive in its history...
You can buy it somewhere at some bookstore site if you truly want to know...
But there are things that will never beknownst to you or anyone who is not in these organizations because we are a very tight-knit group and close ranks very fast because of all the past injustices and Hells that have been endured.
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Hmmm... was hoping on saving the $60 to order it through Amazon (has to be shipped from US).
I understand that there are many things that outsiders will never know about any org. that has secrets - mine included. But I also know that there are things that can be talked about that do not impinge on the secrecy of any org., and it was these types of things that I had hoped to discuss...
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03-31-2005, 11:10 PM
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Let it go....
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Originally posted by PhoenixAzul
I find it interesting that some organizations call their national president "Basileus" or "Grand Basileus". Is there a specific reason behind the use of this term as opposed to "president"? And how exactly does one pronounce Basileus?
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Not to be a b*tch on this issue, but why do you want to know?
A few years ago, there was this vindictive (?sp) web site that supposedly revealed all of the secrets of Chi Omega. Yeah, I read it and I know what the five (or six) greek letters symbolize in their badge. I also remember the significance of some of their symbols and I read details of their rituals. It was interesting information to read, but really it all has no significant meaning to me because I am not a Chi O.
The decisions of why we do things in our org and what they mean are FOR MEMBERS ONLY and not the public. I would hope that many of you would understand that by now.
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03-31-2005, 11:13 PM
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Some of the ebonomics wears thin and is unneeded.
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No one in this thread has referenced Black economics.
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03-31-2005, 11:15 PM
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Hmmm... was hoping on saving the $60 to order it through Amazon (has to be shipped from US).
I understand that there are many things that outsiders will never know about any org. that has secrets - mine included. But I also know that there are things that can be talked about that do not impinge on the secrecy of any org., and it was these types of things that I had hoped to discuss...
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Obviously, you and Wolfman need to have a PM convo about this. You will keep going in circles trying to engage us in discussion in this thread.
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03-31-2005, 11:16 PM
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interesting.
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Very.
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03-31-2005, 11:16 PM
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FYI
I think there have been quite a few open discussions btwn NPHC, NPC, IFC, GDIs, and others in the past. I have listed some of those threads below (crossing my fingers that the links work).
@ Wolfman - I really don't think that most of the NPHC members are being tight-lipped "just because". I'm not sure if you've had a chance to read some of the recent discussions within the Greek Life, Chit Chat, A Phi A, and AKA forums, but the relations between the NPHC and non-NPHC members have been "not so good" lately. Since this is the internet and you can't really read a person's tone or expression it is difficult to tell/believe that someone who was trying to insult you 2 days ago wants to have an open and sincere discussion with you today. I have to assume that this is a big part of the lack of desire to converse. Plus you always have people who make comments like TonyRenyolds'. That's never a fun environment to dialog within. Of course I can't speak for any NPHC members, but this is just IMHO as a long-time Greekchat viewer.
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...HC+differences
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=5509#post5509
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...HC+differences
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...HC+differences
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...HC+differences
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...HC+differences
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ht=NPHC+Intake
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ht=NPHC+Intake
I hope that these help
Marie
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