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Old 06-29-2020, 06:03 PM
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Phi Sigma Sigma discontinues legacy policy.

Long time no post... but Iíve been lurking lately.

We just got an email stating that Phi Sig will be discontinuing the legacy policy.

Iím wondering if every NPC org will continue to follow the ones that have already announced.
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:17 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised. However, it seems to me that eliminating recommendation letters would have a bigger impact than targeting legacies.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:42 PM
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I'm hoping sorority recs will be changed to "rec from a person who knows you personally and doesn't have to be a sorority member".
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:30 PM
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I'm hoping sorority recs will be changed to "rec from a person who knows you personally and doesn't have to be a sorority member".
Preach! I've been calling for this for a decade at least. It's insane to me that 18-year-old women going through recruitment at some of these schools with 15+ chapters (for example) have to expend all their energy to get just as many recs, if not more (if aiming for two per sorority).

And what do the recs really say if they come from someone the PNM doesn't personally know and ultimately just amount to a formality?
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:33 PM
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I would be all for that, in addition to allowing alumnae the opportunity to write recs.
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:33 PM
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The only thing with allowing non-members to write recs: a member is likely to be cautious about writing a rec for someone who's capable of screwing up her sorority. A non-member is not going to be affected if said girl ends up pledging a group and doing horrendous things once in.

She could say truthfully, "Oh, Patty PNM has great grades and activities!" and rave about that. Maybe she knows that the girl is an advanced drama queen or vicious gossip or flaming racist as well (or maybe she doesn't), but you know what? She won't care if the girl pledges and tears up the chapter or even loses their charter for them. I recall a chapter in Florida that almost lost their charter because 2 (only 2!) members took some NMs out and hazed them.
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Old 07-01-2020, 08:38 AM
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Old 07-01-2020, 05:04 PM
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The only thing with allowing non-members to write recs: a member is likely to be cautious about writing a rec for someone who's capable of screwing up her sorority. A non-member is not going to be affected if said girl ends up pledging a group and doing horrendous things once in.

She could say truthfully, "Oh, Patty PNM has great grades and activities!" and rave about that. Maybe she knows that the girl is an advanced drama queen or vicious gossip or flaming racist as well (or maybe she doesn't), but you know what? She won't care if the girl pledges and tears up the chapter or even loses their charter for them. I recall a chapter in Florida that almost lost their charter because 2 (only 2!) members took some NMs out and hazed them.
Practically every NPHC organization requires some sort of external letter of recommendation.

Most people aren't writing letters of recommendation for people they know are terrible people.
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Old 07-01-2020, 05:18 PM
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See, that's the thing. As a teacher of manymany years, I have known many other teachers who were totally clueless about some of the meanest bullies in school. These kids would act like Eddie Haskell around teachers (or certain teachers) and do horrible things to their "enemies". Once I caught 2 Eddies upending a cooler of KoolAid over the head of another girl in the hall--caught them redhanded!-- and the AP kept saying she went to church with them and they neeevvver would have done such a thing.

So many teachers get fooled because students know that later on, they'll need various recommendations.
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See, that's the thing. As a teacher of manymany years, I have known many other teachers who were totally clueless about some of the meanest bullies in school. These kids would act like Eddie Haskell around teachers (or certain teachers) and do horrible things to their "enemies". Once I caught 2 Eddies upending a cooler of KoolAid over the head of another girl in the hall--caught them redhanded!-- and the AP kept saying she went to church with them and they neeevvver would have done such a thing.

So many teachers get fooled because students know that later on, they'll need various recommendations.



Agree with you about the "Eddie Haskells" as they can appear as early as elementary school.



When my mother was asked to write recommendations for our high school by the local Panhellenic Alumnae, she came to her three kids to ask for real scoop on these PNMs. Honestly I believe my brother was the best source our of the three of us and she was able to write a rec with confidence. (I believe she only wrote one "non-rec.")
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Old 07-02-2020, 12:45 PM
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Wanted to respond in another recently closed thread, but will try here. NPC groups who recently changed their legacy policies better hope enough of their specially chosen new members make-up, in number and in active involvement, for those alumnae and non-chosen legacies who will no longer/never be working diligently and earnestly for their orgs. It's great to evolve, but some members will be skeptical of the speed and reasons for the change and whether the outcome will be fully positive.

ETA: Closed thread mentioned above has reopened [AOII Eliminates Legacy Policy]
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Old 07-06-2020, 10:09 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised. However, it seems to me that eliminating recommendation letters would have a bigger impact than targeting legacies.
I know that Phi Sig does not ever require rec letters, even if it is tradition at the school. (We donít have many chapters in the south, where I feel most schools that want recs are located - Iím a northern girl, I didnít know this was a thing until GC!)
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I could see rec letters being a letter from any sorority alum. I obviously never get to write any, but I know so many former students that I would love to write to a chapter and say, “This is a great woman! You want her!” But alas, I can’t.
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I could see rec letters being a letter from any sorority alum. I obviously never get to write any, but I know so many former students that I would love to write to a chapter and say, ďThis is a great woman! You want her!Ē But alas, I canít.
If this was to happen, it would also need to be letters that the PNM doesn't ever see. Just like the letters of recommendation that are sent when you apply for college. You request them from the teachers, and unless the teacher shares the letter on it's own, the student has no way of knowing what it says.

Maybe you request letters and they are sent through panhellenic at the university and every chapter gets the same letters or something. That way if your letter is a "danger will robinson" and more of a no-rec, then it doesn't come back on you.

As a recruitment advisor, the no-rec recs always seem more helpful.
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a "danger will robinson" and more of a no-rec, then it doesn't come back on you.
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