GreekChat.com Forums  

Go Back   GreekChat.com Forums > Greek Life

Greek Life This forum is for various discussion topics regarding greek life. If you are posting a non-greek related message, please do so in one of the General Chat Topic forums.


Register Now for FREE!
Join GreekChat.com, The Fraternity & Sorority Greek Chat Network. To sign up for your FREE account INSTANTLY fill out the form below!

Username: Password: Confirm Password: E-Mail: Confirm E-Mail:
 
Image Verification
Please enter the six letters or digits that appear in the image opposite.

  I agree to forum rules 

» GC Stats
Members: 307,840
Threads: 114,782
Posts: 2,159,168
Welcome to our newest member, gruielu
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-24-2018, 02:25 PM
thetalady's Avatar
thetalady thetalady is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Big D
Posts: 2,687
Angry Kappa Alpha Theta at Harvard Closing

I am absolutely sick at the announcement that the Kappa Alpha Theta chapter at Harvard University is closing due to pressure from the university.

https://www.kappaalphatheta.org/blog...ot-have-chosen
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-24-2018, 02:50 PM
APhi2KD APhi2KD is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 150
NOOOOOO!!!
That only leaves ΑΦ and ΔΓ, am I right?
This is so wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-24-2018, 03:23 PM
NYCMS NYCMS is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 218
Quote:
Originally Posted by APhi2KD View Post
NOOOOOO!!!
That only leaves ΑΦ and ΔΓ, am I right?
This is so wrong.
I think someone posted in another thread that DG is closing...so only Alpha Phi.

Kappa's members (or many of them) - now that their chapter has closed - have re-organized themselves as a social club open to all genders. They've named it Fleur de Lis, one of their symbols.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-24-2018, 03:30 PM
33girl 33girl is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hotel Oceanview
Posts: 33,631
Hereís the whole thing - how are they going to MAKE men join these clubs even if they arenít single gender? They will end up being a de facto sorority, without national oversight.
__________________
It is all 33girl's fault. ~DrPhil
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-24-2018, 04:00 PM
APhi2KD APhi2KD is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 150
Forest. Trees. GAH!!!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-24-2018, 05:26 PM
PhilTau PhilTau is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Oregon
Posts: 135
Harvard did not treat Theta (and other sororities) very well. I would guess that Theta may be glad they no longer have to deal the eccentricities of that school and the people who work there. I do respect Theta's integrity in not letting Harvard push them around or make them become something that they have no desire to become.

Regarding reorganizing the former Harvard sororities into social clubs open to all genders -- there is a well-worn model for this. It may not be very popular to post this, but I recall back in the last century, some fraternity chapters were de facto co-ed organizations. Almost all fraternities had little sister organizations. Some had little sister groups with membership numbers almost equaling the male active membership.

Don't get me wrong, there were and are very good reasons for fraternities eliminating the little sister auxiliary groups. My point is that, from a current student's perspective, multi-gender fraternal collegiate groups have been done before - long ago - and in many instances quite successfully.

Last edited by PhilTau; 07-24-2018 at 05:45 PM. Reason: clarify 3rd paragraph
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-24-2018, 05:36 PM
Titchou Titchou is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 3,996
DElta Gamma has left as well.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-24-2018, 09:40 PM
lake lake is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: um....here?
Posts: 364
This just makes me angry. I was really rooting for the remaining chapters and was proud of how they stood up to Harvard, but I understand why they chose not to continue.

I guess now that the evil single-gender Greek orgs are leaving, that will make Harvard a social utopia? 🙄🙄🙄

Just dumb.
__________________
Delta Delta Delta
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-24-2018, 10:05 PM
GreekOne GreekOne is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 145
So disappointing! I was so proud of DG, Alpha Phi and Theta for taking a stand. I guess the collegians simply felt the battle was not worth it. The votes to back down came from the collegians, not the HQs.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-24-2018, 10:35 PM
AGDee AGDee is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Michigan
Posts: 14,805
This whole thing makes me so sick. Misogyny through and through. Take away all opportunities for women to have a safe space, leadership opportunities without oppression, and being forced to live in the "good ole boys" world without respite. Of course, since women aren't paid equally, I suppose their alumnae withholding donations or the like wouldn't have much of an effect.
__________________
AGD
Live with Purpose!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-25-2018, 02:33 AM
thetalady's Avatar
thetalady thetalady is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Big D
Posts: 2,687
From Vanity Fair: Whatís Really Behind the Civil War to End Harvardís Fraternities?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-25-2018, 02:39 AM
NinjaPoodle NinjaPoodle is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: On the beach. Well....not really but near it. :0)
Posts: 12,938
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...ender-neutral/

more info on the policy
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...-stay-mainbar/
__________________
Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc. ** Greater Service, Greater Progress
Since 1922
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-25-2018, 02:06 PM
Kevin Kevin is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Posts: 18,216
Reading that Vanity Fair article... wow... what a shitshow. I think closing shop is the ethical thing to do for Greek organizations. If they chose to stay and fight the good fight, they are potentially putting anyone who signs up for their cause at risk of losing a Harvard education worth potentially millions of dollars.
__________________
SN -SINCE 1869-
"EXCELLING WITH HONOR"
S N E T T
Mu Tau 5, Central Oklahoma
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-25-2018, 04:38 PM
shadokat shadokat is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Reading, PA
Posts: 3,491
Send a message via AIM to shadokat Send a message via Yahoo to shadokat
Interestingly, I scoured the internet for information about Fleur De Lis, which is actually on Facebook as The Fleur. There isn't a single guy outside of what looks to be their formal, who I may wrongly be assuming, but are the dates of the women.

I also read that Vanity Fair article, and there is no better word for it than shitshow. And I still don't get what the purpose is. It's a shame that they have forced this issue so far.
__________________
Be a leader; Be Yourself; Be DPhiE - Esse Quam Videri
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-25-2018, 08:37 PM
33girl 33girl is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hotel Oceanview
Posts: 33,631
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilTau View Post

Regarding reorganizing the former Harvard sororities into social clubs open to all genders -- there is a well-worn model for this. It may not be very popular to post this, but I recall back in the last century, some fraternity chapters were de facto co-ed organizations. Almost all fraternities had little sister organizations. Some had little sister groups with membership numbers almost equaling the male active membership.

Don't get me wrong, there were and are very good reasons for fraternities eliminating the little sister auxiliary groups. My point is that, from a current student's perspective, multi-gender fraternal collegiate groups have been done before - long ago - and in many instances quite successfully.
Um no. I know Iíve told the story on here of the little sisters who basically ran the fraternity because the brothers were feather heads, but that is an anomaly. Brothers and little sisters have two different pledge programs and two different initiation rituals. It was not, repeat, NOT, anything you could call a ďmulti gender collegiate group.Ē Especially since in many cases, the little sisters could also belong to NPC sororities.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GreekOne View Post
So disappointing! I was so proud of DG, Alpha Phi and Theta for taking a stand. I guess the collegians simply felt the battle was not worth it. The votes to back down came from the collegians, not the HQs.
Thatís unnecessarily harsh. These collegians are giving up scholarship money and campus positions that could help them in their future career if they stay in Greek organizations. It would be wonderful if none of the members had to worry about things like that, but probably the only students who donít are the ones that Harvard administration think all Greeks are - the outrageously rich with family connections who really donít have to worry about grades. If the chapters ended up being solely composed of such students, Harvard would just point to it as ďsee, we were right when we said this is what Greeks are about.Ē
__________________
It is all 33girl's fault. ~DrPhil
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
An Alpha Phi Alpha and a Kappa Alpha Theta-Sigma Pi Connection nyapbp Greek History 2 05-24-2015 12:11 AM
Kappa Alpha Theta: Alpha Xi Chapter HHadland Alumni Involvement 1 06-10-2007 10:03 AM
Kappa Alpha Theta: Alpha Xi Chapter HHadland Chapter Operations 1 06-10-2007 07:44 AM
The Bloody Triangle Returns (Alpha Theta, Alpha Delta, Kappa) Chapters Charles Kappa Alpha Psi 4 05-23-2002 11:26 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.