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Old 07-12-2006, 11:01 AM
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can someone explain cuts to me

I hear people talking about cuts and release figures a lot in recruitment threads on GC and I was just wondering what they were. The school where I went to had a pretty small school where everyone was (for the most part) significantly below total that no one had to worry about cuts. I'm not sure what release figures are. Does your school's panhel or the NPC actually tell you how many girls you have to cut each day?
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Old 07-12-2006, 11:08 AM
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It's sort of complicated to get into the whole process, but the easy answer to what your looking for (I think) is say XYZ was THE favorite last year and they took total and quota and almost all the PNMs accepted their invites back there...then XYZ would have a bigger number of girls to cut then ABC who only got half of quota and very few girls accepted their invites back (in fact, depending on the numbers, ABC might not have to cut at all and get to invite all the PNMs they want back). It was designed to not mislead PNMs by letting them continue to get invited back to a sorority where they're on the bottom of a bid list of 400 girls and the chapter can only take 40, so they can concentrate their efforts elsewhere and get a more realistic picture of where they fit.
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:11 PM
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Also, with the new rules, the stronger chapters have to cut more, earlier on. In a 5 night recruitment, they may do a full MS after the 2nd night, where everyone else does it only right before pref night.

Small groups of girls will get cut before the MS('s) as well, such as grade risks or girls who no one wants/acted like they didn't want to be there anyway.

Personally I'm always shocked at the girls who act like they're better than XYZ, until they get cut from their "sure bid" and then they're just sweet to everyone.

The vast majority of PNMs are not bitches, but those rare few... ugh.
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:12 PM
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what's MS?
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:16 PM
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what's MS?
Membership Selection.
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:16 PM
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Membership selection. It's considered ritual so no one can tell you their processes, but it's practically one of those things that "doesn't exist" as far as the real world is concerned. But everyone knows that the sororities do SOMETHING to choose members... even if they pick names out of a hat.

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Old 07-12-2006, 12:18 PM
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Oh. Now that you and honeychile explained it, it seems so obvious.

At my school, there were three nights of recruitment and pnms were required to visit each sorority each night and we couldn't cut anyone. The first and only chance that we got to cut girls was for pref.
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:50 PM
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[quote=Drolefille]Also, with the new rules, the stronger chapters have to cut more, earlier on. In a 5 night recruitment, they may do a full MS after the 2nd night, where everyone else does it only right before pref night.

Small groups of girls will get cut before the MS('s) as well, such as grade risks or girls who no one wants/acted like they didn't want to be there anyway.
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Drolefille,

Can you please provide a link to the new policy/rules? I couldn't find it on the NPC website.
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:12 PM
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i believe the resolution passed two or three years ago. i will see if i can find it in my green book,but i'll have to do it later.
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:45 PM
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Can you please provide a link to the new policy/rules? I couldn't find it on the NPC website.
The technical name for the new stuff is "Release Figure Method." Go to Google and type that in in quotes. You'll pull up several links - most of them to pdfs, and even the PowerPoint presentation given by Laura Malley-Schmitt. I have seen her presentation, and she is great!

Basically it is a new method that is designed to help all the chapters fulfill quota, and to allow potential new members to maximize their options. Release figures are based on chapter history (return rates from previous years, # of women on first bid list matched, etc.). The Greek Advisor works with a Specialist who is a representative of NPC to determine how many PNMs each chapter may invite back to each party. Then the Greek Advisor shares that number with the chapters, who then go to MS Session and create their lists of invitations.

Historically strong recruiting chapters release more women early in the process. This allows the women that they know they wouldn't ever bid get a chance to meet the other chapters and consider them more strongly. Why drag a PNM along and let her get her hopes up that she'll get into a chapter that will just release her right before preference? This way she'll spend more time getting to know the women in the chapters where her chances of membership are greater. And in turn, those chapters who have struggled with recruitment numbers in the past have been seeing VAST improvements in their return rates and final numbers. Many campuses have chapters that have never made quota now making quota easily.

This new method forces the chapters who will be releasing heavily to get to know the PNMs much earlier. As has been mentioned in several places on GC, this makes recommendation letters all that much more important. Heavy releases means 50-60% of the field released on night one, so chapters need as much info as possible.

Another great thing that I learned from Ms. Malley-Schmitt is that the Specialist and the Greek Advisor take the current year's performance into account as well. That first night number will be based on the past, but later nights can also incorporate current year statistics. The Greek Advisor should have a good idea as to what chapters are performing well based on how the PNMs are ranking, and she can tell the Specialist, "Well, even though ABC has great numbers from last year, something bad is going wrong cause everyone is ranking them low." Then they will adjust mid-stream so that ABC still gets to invite plenty of PNMs to future rounds.

It's a great theory and has been great at most campuses who have implemented it properly. We are doing it for the first time this fall, and I'm anxious about it, but I am trusting the system and those who know what they are doing to take care of everything!
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:58 PM
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The technical name for the new stuff is "Release Figure Method." Go to Google and type that in in quotes. You'll pull up several links - most of them to pdfs, and even the PowerPoint presentation given by Laura Malley-Schmitt. I have seen her presentation, and she is great!

Basically it is a new method that is designed to help all the chapters fulfill quota, and to allow potential new members to maximize their options. Release figures are based on chapter history (return rates from previous years, # of women on first bid list matched, etc.). The Greek Advisor works with a Specialist who is a representative of NPC to determine how many PNMs each chapter may invite back to each party. Then the Greek Advisor shares that number with the chapters, who then go to MS Session and create their lists of invitations.

Historically strong recruiting chapters release more women early in the process. This allows the women that they know they wouldn't ever bid get a chance to meet the other chapters and consider them more strongly. Why drag a PNM along and let her get her hopes up that she'll get into a chapter that will just release her right before preference? This way she'll spend more time getting to know the women in the chapters where her chances of membership are greater. And in turn, those chapters who have struggled with recruitment numbers in the past have been seeing VAST improvements in their return rates and final numbers. Many campuses have chapters that have never made quota now making quota easily.

This new method forces the chapters who will be releasing heavily to get to know the PNMs much earlier. As has been mentioned in several places on GC, this makes recommendation letters all that much more important. Heavy releases means 50-60% of the field released on night one, so chapters need as much info as possible.

Another great thing that I learned from Ms. Malley-Schmitt is that the Specialist and the Greek Advisor take the current year's performance into account as well. That first night number will be based on the past, but later nights can also incorporate current year statistics. The Greek Advisor should have a good idea as to what chapters are performing well based on how the PNMs are ranking, and she can tell the Specialist, "Well, even though ABC has great numbers from last year, something bad is going wrong cause everyone is ranking them low." Then they will adjust mid-stream so that ABC still gets to invite plenty of PNMs to future rounds.

It's a great theory and has been great at most campuses who have implemented it properly. We are doing it for the first time this fall, and I'm anxious about it, but I am trusting the system and those who know what they are doing to take care of everything!
This is very interesting. Thank you for the explanation and link suggestions.
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Old 07-13-2006, 05:32 PM
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So if I understand correctly:

1. The bigger, more "popular" sororities on a campus make drastic cuts after first party for Round 2.

2. Many of the sororities have an automatic "courtesy" invitation to 2nd round for legacies.

To me, this seems as if there will be even less slots open to non-legacies for Round 2.
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Old 07-13-2006, 05:45 PM
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I don't know how it works in a situation where most of the PNMs are legacies to one org or another.... or where there are sooo many legacies that you can't bid them all... but

1. If the stronger chapters cut early, they're doing a full MS, this includes dropping legacies if they don't feel they're a fit. Our rush had 2 rotational nights and then the strongest chapter cuts after the 2nd, everyone cuts after the 3rd and the fourth day was Pref. Here, quota is the number of PNMs divided by the number of sororities so theoretically there is a place for every girl.

2.There are actually more spots for non-legacies in a way. They just know that ABC has already dropped them, so they look at DEF, GHI, JKL, and MN where there are STILL spaces for them.

The actual number of spaces hasn't changed, just the distribution.
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Old 07-13-2006, 07:04 PM
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SEC ladies, please chime in!

Carnation???
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Old 07-13-2006, 07:51 PM
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carnation's response will probably be better, but here's my $.02:

When I went through recruitment, there was a rumor that PNMs could not be invited back to a certain house after round 3 if they were not legacies there because there were so many legacies to that house. Of course, I know several girls who pledged that house as non-legacies, BUT they admitted to me that they sometimes had to cut even double and TRIPLE legacies because they had so many going through that they would be unable to take any non-legacies if they took all of the legacies.

So, in short, I don't think the release figure method means that non-legacies can't pledge ABC, it just means they'd better be damn good if they want to stand out in a pool of 100s of legacies. I would assume this is similar with other traditionally strong houses at other SEC schools.
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