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Old 09-02-2003, 05:51 PM
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Thumbs down Sorors and SFs...

All I can say is that Trollquan McTroll is very unfunny.
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Old 09-02-2003, 07:21 PM
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Why do I seriously doubt that someone even has a job, let alone one in which that person would be in a management position?
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Old 09-04-2003, 10:35 PM
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Old 09-09-2003, 02:26 AM
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Another thing I can't stand is job interviews. I have a name that you wouldn't know the race until I step in the door. I don't think white people mean it, but some act as if they have never been around a black person before who can speak English and dress in business attire. Sometimes they act as if I'm the spokesperson for the entire black race. One day I went to an interview and I was at the head of the table while a good seven or eight people in the company interviewd me. One white lady told me she wish she could tan and get my color because she turns red when she tans. She also wanted to know what hair color was in my head because she liked it. And the other lady said my God look at her teeth, they are gorgeous. I felt like sideshow damn bob up in that piece on display. What in the hell did any of that have to do with the job? How long have we been in America? There are a wide array of hues in the black race. Why is this an issue?
I've had the same thing happen at job interviews and in instances where the person knew my name before they actually met me. It's sad and sometimes infuriating b/c they really think of things like this as a compliment ...Just b/c I'm Black does not mean that I can't speak correct English --I went to High School and College just like you did

As far as the "light- vs. dark-skinned" issue goes, it is a deep-rooted issue for me b/c where I live there is no such thing as "brown-skinned"--you're either light or dark. I qualify as dark, and therfore am considered second best to many men (particularly Black men in my age group, 22 yrs.), even though I get the "You are SO Beautiful/Gorgeous/You look like a model (I'm 5'10")" comments all the time from people that are either my age but I'm not interested in (friends, family, whatever), or from older people I don't know...I refuse to buy into these stereotypes that light=beautiful, b/c Black people come in all shades of the rainbow, and WE AS A PEOPLE ARE TRULLY BEAUTIFUL b/c there are no other people on this earth like us. Beauty is not one color/shade!!! But it really saddens me that people in this day and age still buy into this mentality, and that our own people are continuously perpetuating it (i.e. music videos on BET that always feature light-skinned women with long hair). People need to get real and remember that there are bigger issues out there that need our attention than this pettiness...
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Old 09-09-2003, 02:45 AM
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My sister and I are 4 years apart but we look alot alike. People describe us as oh she's the light one and she's the dark one. How about learn our dayum names!!! If you are able to tell those differences then you can tell us apart. That burns me up.

Alot of guys come up to my sister and say You are sooo pretty to be dark skin. She asks them was that a compliment or an insult! I really don't understand why people do this.

I have been (depending on the person) classified as light skinned or brown skin. On the cheerleading team and in certain dance companies I have performed w/ we were all the same complexion. Now no one can convience me that this was an accident. A choreographer told me he only cast members that were my complexion or lighter. My mouth just dropped open. I said shouldn't it be based on a persons skill. He didn't answer.

As a chorographer myself I have seen and heard alot. I use these experiences as learning tools to apply when I'm teaching. I remember how certain people were treated because of the color of there skin. There is no way I could do that to someone. As a child of God I am to love everyone!!
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Old 09-17-2003, 06:16 PM
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Bump/Colorism article

Really long read. Not surprising, but disturbing.

Can the Shade of Your Skin Determine Career Success?
By Angela D. Johnson

© 2003 DiversityInc.com
September 08, 2003

"They says if you was white, should be all right,
If you was brown, stick around,
But as you's black, m-mm brother, git back, git back, git back"


These lyrics from a blues tune recorded in 1951 by Big Bill Broonzy reflect the impact of colorism -- bias based on the shade of one's skin -- on American society. For African Americans, this intraracial discrimination is rooted in slavery, a period when light-skinned mulatto offspring of slave owners were given the more desirable positions on the plantation.

This biased way of thinking continued after slavery with people with skin "lighter than a paper bag" or pale enough to see the blue, spidery network of veins in their wrists gaining admission to exclusive African-American organizations. Today, the overt judgments based on skin color may be gone, but the bias remains, and it's not exclusive to the African-American community.
Fair-skinned South Asian women are often considered more attractive and more likely to marry that their darker-skinned peers. Filipino women gossip about the ultimate skin tone of a newborn (The lighter, the better). The success of
deep-hued Celia Cruz was an exception in the Latino entertainment arena.

Researchers have found that colorism has an influence on myriad aspects of people's lives, including education and income levels. A study by Cedric Herring, a sociology professor at the University of Illinois Chicago, and Verna Keith, an associate sociology professor at Arizona State University in Tempe Ariz., in the early 1990s revealed that, on average, very light-skinned African
Americans attained an additional two years of education, compared with their very dark-skinned counterparts. Family income of very light-skinned African
Americans was more than 50 percent greater than the income of those with dark skin, while personal income was almost 65 percent higher.

Like racism, colorism has infiltrated the offices of corporate America. Sometimes, it manifests itself in the form for verbal harassment.

Last month, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) announced a settlement of a color harassment and retaliation lawsuit against Applebee's Neighborhood Bar and Grill, headquartered in Overland Park, Kan. Dwight Burch, a
dark-skinned African-American server at one of the chain's Atlanta restaurants, alleged that he was called derogatory names, such as "porch monkey," "jig-a-boo" and "blackie," by his manager, a light-skinned African American. Burch was fired
less than 90 days after the manager arrived at the restaurant.

Applebee's was found in violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which protects against discrimination based on skin color as well as race, national origin, sex or religion. Burch was awarded $40,000 in the settlement.

Similar cases have been filed by Latinos.

Jennifer Kaplan, public-affairs specialist for the EEOC, said the commission has witnessed an increased interest in what she describes as appearance bias.

"It fascinates people that someone would allege bias based on color when the person accused is of the same race," said Kaplan.

The number of color discrimination cases filed with the EEOC has nearly doubled since 1995. In 2002, there were 1,382 color-bias charges, up from 700 in 1995. Kaplan said the increase is caused in part by the method the agency uses to collect discrimination data. Kaplan said a greater awareness of color discrimination is prompting data collectors to break out colorism claims from racial-discrimination charges.

The majority of filings in 2002 were in the Northeast (44 percent), followed by the West (21 percent), South (15 percent), Midwest (12.5 percent) and Southwest (7.5 percent). The EEOC was unable to provide case-outcome statistics.

Despite the increase in colorism cases, Kaplan said racial discrimination continues to account for the largest amount of the EEOC's workload, 38 percent. While colorism is sometimes included in racism charges, psychologists contend that colorism is not the same as racism.

"I have a hard time applying the label of racism because that includes a power component," said Kendrick Brown, an assistant professor of psychology at Macalester College in St. Paul, Minn. "It's related to racism, but it's not the same thing."

Work-place discrimination is not the only way colorism is playing out in corporate world. Colorism is impacting a variety of business aspects including marketing messages and casting decisions for television shows.

In India, a television commercial for skin-lightening cream was pulled because women's groups claimed the ads equated fairer skin with beauty and success. The racy telenovelas produced in Latin America rarely feature Latinos with darker skin tones.

"Light skin is associated with more power and privilege in most societies," said Midge Wilson, a professor of psychology at Chicago's Depaul University.

Wilson said that in Italy, higher status is given to fairer-skinned Northern Italians. In Western Europe, a variation of colorism exists in the form of the preference of women with blond hair and blue eyes.

"The biggest difference (with whites) is the colorism is not institutionalized," Wilson said. "You wouldn't find that blonds earn higher wages than brunettes."

Psychologists noted that colorism is not exclusive to intraracial relationships. Whites may view lighter-skinned people of other ethnic or racial groups more favorably. "Probably because most whites believe themselves intellectually superior," said Wilson, who is white, "thus, those who best approximate their features are more likely to be invited into the circle of power."

Given the universal impact of colorism, is there a place for colorism in corporate diversity training?

Brown believes there is, but cautioned that it may take "a little bit more education and preparation" than other areas of diversity training.

"When you talk about (racial-sensitivity training), you're talking about two different groups interacting around a particular issue," said Brown. "When you talk about color bias, you're talking about people in the same group. Folks feel as if they are airing dirty laundry."

"I think people become spectators when it comes to skin-tones issues," Brown added. "It becomes 'That's between them' rather than 'It's an issue that involves the whole company.'"

Discussions, such as the ones conducted during diversity training, may have a positive impact on colorism.

"The more we talk about it * we'll be more likely to be able to eliminate a color caste system in the future or, more realistically, minimize it," Wilson said.
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Old 12-14-2003, 02:52 PM
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Chocolate sistah

This was a really big problem for me when I was younger. The suburban area I grew up in seemed to just worship light-skinned people. The only way a dark-skinned girl was considered attractive was if she had long hair.

I remember visiting an elderly woman (my grandmother's friend) who let me & my (light-skinned) cousin sew doll clothes at her house. She always would say to my cousin "you're so pretty" or "you have such pretty hair" (long) and wouldn't say anything to me. I would go back to my grandmother's house and cry (in private). I stopped going to visit her without saying why.
I remember showing family picutures to some of my white friends. My dark-skinned and light-skinned cousins were on the same page. People would say "she is so pretty" about the light-skinned one. I would say, with attitude, that they BOTH are pretty and leave it at that.

I haven't experienced prejudice as blatant as this in my older years, but it is definately still a problem.
Recently, I have had problems with people criticizing me when I wear pink. Pink has always been my favorite color, but I didn't wear it when I was younger because I thought dark skinned people couldn't wear light colors (except the occasional white). I made a consious choice to wear lighter colors and I started with pink.
The haters claim that I'm going overboard with my AKA love, but that's crap! I don't wear pink any more than I wear blue or black! I have enough blue to wear everyday, and I never heard a single comment about it. Also, they don't say a thing when I wear green!
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Old 12-15-2003, 11:54 AM
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i was watching The 5th Wheel the other night (my boyfriend's choice, not mine. the show is Jerry Springer-bad). on the show, 2 guys were picking amongst 3 girls for a date. so one guy decides he doesn't like any of the women and the other picks one of them. the "chosen" one turns them both down saying that one of them was "too dark"
i wanted to throw my shoe at her head i was so pissed.
as a dark-skinned woman, i am very comfortable within my pretty skin so she didn't offend me, per se. her ignorance/superiority complex based on her lighter complexion did.
i try not to let such stupid, sad people get to me but sometimes...
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Old 12-15-2003, 03:27 PM
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Re: Chocolate sistah

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Recently, I have had problems with people criticizing me when I wear pink. Pink has always been my favorite color, but I didn't wear it when I was younger because I thought dark skinned people couldn't wear light colors (except the occasional white).
Am I the only one who thinks that all of us look good in pink, regardless of our skin tone? I wear pink every chance I get because it gives my skin a rosy glow that's so hard to get when you live in a gray climate.
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Old 12-15-2003, 03:55 PM
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no light colors with dark sin?

How odd!

I have always thought that darker tones could be set off beautifully with light colors (white, ice blue, light pink, mint green, etc.).

It all depends on the undertones of your skin- not all dark skinned people are dark the same way. For m white always shows up nicely against my skin, as does light blue and green. Lighter shades of pink vary.

Anyway, this thread just about breaks my heart. I have never been addressed this way by anyone in or out of my family. And the worst thing is that we do it to ourselves. So ignorant.
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Old 12-15-2003, 04:35 PM
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It's amazing to me how this self-hate perpetuates. I would often have to school my students when they stated, "So and so has good hair" or "That boy is black"

I grew up and live in Cali, and the color thing is HORRIBLE here. I have soooo many stories from my childhood it's crazy. It was never my family, it was always "others"
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Old 12-16-2003, 09:04 PM
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I feel the person who said that some people think that to be pretty and dark, you HAVE to have long hair. I happen to have long hair, and be dark. In college, I was the dark skinned cheerleader with the long hair. I kept it so long that when I danced, it got caught under my arms all the time. I also know that the only reason that some people gave (and give) me the time of day is because of my hair. I think that is one of the reasons I kept it long. Recently, I have cut it shorter and shorter... just to see. It is at my shoulders now. Funny thing is... white guys who have noticed me... nothing changed. Black guys who noticed... dropped a bit. Now when it gets up to my ears, we'll see what happens!

Oh, and my mom always told me that darker women look best in pastels... I agree.

Also, my cousin and I are both chocolate, and we are usually approached by lighter skinned men (some damn near white). Does anyone know why this is? Fellas... talk to me!

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Old 12-17-2003, 05:02 AM
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I love wearing bright colors and if I had a dollar for everytime someone gave me grief for wearing bright colors (my family), I would retire. And I did NOT have long hair so that was a strike against me! Didn't want to do a weave either. Fellas would trample me to talk to my older sister.
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Old 12-17-2003, 01:09 PM
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But on a lighter note, I have a "thing" for dark skinned guys
I don't understand this mentality either. This smacks of the same nonsense just in reverse. Just b/c darker skinned people have been marginalized it doesn't make any sense to turn around and marginalize lighter skinned folks. I get in this argument all of the time when people say "oh it's just my preference." What's wrong w/ just plain prefering someone who is Black?
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Old 12-17-2003, 02:22 PM
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I don't understand this mentality either. This smacks of the same nonsense just in reverse. Just b/c darker skinned people have been marginalized it doesn't make any sense to turn around and marginalize lighter skinned folks. I get in this argument all of the time when people say "oh it's just my preference." What's wrong w/ just plain prefering someone who is Black?
Seriously, how is this (what ShiningStar said about prefering darker-skinned brothas ) any different from a person that prefers a black women......

with long hair
with short hair
with natural hair
with straightened hair
weigh less than 130 lbs.
weigh more than 130 lbs.
with pretty eyes
with no kids
etc.

Where does a person "cross the line" so to speak from simply having a preference to marginalizing lighter or darker skinned folks? If I prefer to NOT date a brotha that wears locks, am in some way marginalizing that aspect of black culture as well?
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