The 11 Hr of the 11 day of the 11th Month-Veterans Day

[jon1856]

To all those who have served their Country, both abroad and at home, we say Thanks.
http://mrmom.amaonline.com/special/womenareveterans.htm
http://mrmom.amaonline.com/veteran.htm
http://mrmom.amaonline.com/special/whatisavet.htm
http://www1.va.gov/opa/vetsday/
http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=mini_home&mini_id=1085
http://members.aol.com/veterans/warlib69.htm
http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent1/0,,veteransday,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl
http://www.greatwar.nl/
http://www.dreamwater.com/raferty/veterans.html


Jonathan A. Cohen
O Valiant Hearts
“ O valiant hearts who to your glory came
through dust of conflict and through battle flame;
tranquil you lie, your knightly virtue proved,
your memory hallowed in the land you loved.

Proudly you gathered, rank on rank, to war
as who had heard God's message from afar;
all you had hoped for, all you had, you gave,
to save mankind — yourselves you scorned to save.”
Taken from:
John Stanhope Arkwright’s hymn “O Valiant Hearts”.

And Happy Birthday to the USMC!!

[AlexMack]

We call it remembrance day in the UK. It's more about remembering those who gave their lives for our country. We do honour the veterans too, but it's more about making sure no one is forgotten.
If I hadn't been asleep at 11am I would have paid my respects properly.

[RACooper]

Yeah... it's called Remembrance Day pretty much through-out the Commonwealth it is definitely more focused on remembering the terrible cost of war so that it doesn't happen again (or isn't entered into so lightly) - certainly not the time for nationalistic, overly-patriotic, or pro-war sentiments... (as our PM learned when comparing the War on Terror to the Great War)

See my post in Greek Life for a specific Greek connection to Remembrance Day services...

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Yeah... it is definitely more focused on remembering the terrible cost of war so that it doesn't happen again (or isn't entered into so lightly) - certainly not the time for nationalistic, overly-patriotic, or pro-war sentiments... (as our PM learned when comparing the War on Terror to the Great War)

See my post in Greek Life for a specific Greek connection to Remembrance Day services...

some one really did that? I hate it when the chief politicians talk, they always that just....

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

some one really did that? I hate it when the chief politicians talk, they always that just....

Yeah... well PM Harper is our own little neo-con... so he is understandably a bit dense. The veterans, chief padre, military, and media didn't exactly react well - but for the most part they ignored it in favour of focusing on the services and veterans... along with talk of a full state funeral for the last Great War vet when he passes (Canada has 3 left)

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by centaur532

We call it remembrance day in the UK. It's more about remembering those who gave their lives for our country. We do honour the veterans too, but it's more about making sure no one is forgotten.
If I hadn't been asleep at 11am I would have paid my respects properly.

I think it's a little different in the States -- we have Memorial Day in May for remembering those who lost their lives in war, so Veterans' Day is as much about the living vets as those who died. It's not at all a pro-war day (or shouldn't be), but is considered more of a day to stop and say "Thank you."

We observed the 11th hour at Arlington National Cemetery.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I think it's a little different in the States -- we have Memorial Day in May for remembering those who lost their lives in war, so Veterans' Day is as much about the living vets as those who died. It's not at all a pro-war day (or shouldn't be), but is considered more of a day to stop and say "Thank you."

We observed the 11th hour at Arlington National Cemetery.

Having attened services in the US, UK, and Canada I can say that there is a definite difference between the US Memorial Day & Veteran's Day services and public attitude, when compared to Remembrance Day services...

For one take Veteran's Day and Memorial Day and wrap it into one day, shift the focus to that of akin to a national service for the fallen (in theory conducted by the Anglican church), remove any semblance of a holiday (because it's not in most Commonwealth countries) from the day, and you get the Remembrance Day 'vibe' - a day that literally is a day for remembrance and a national outpouring of grief for the dead and the horror of war... it's not uncommon at all to see people weeping (civilians, veterans, and military) at the services.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by RACooper

it's not uncommon at all to see people weeping (civilians, veterans, and military) at the services.

That's not so uncommon at a lot of US services either. My hometown has big memorials for WWI, WWII, the Korean War and Vietnam, and some of my earliest memories are of seeing grown men crying as the tributes were given.

Also, I'm not sure if you were taking a not-so-subtle dig at the U.S., but I wouldn't characterize our rememberance activities as "overly-patriotic" or "nationalistic."

Personally, I made sure to call my father (a Vietnam vet), and remembered my grandfathers, both of whom were WWII vets.

[RACooper]

I wasn't making a "dig" at the US service - it's just by comparison is more patriotic/nationalistic in flavour...

How to explain.... hmmm - okay for example the US service seems to be strictly focused on US personnel and American casualties - whereas the Remembrance Day service not only focuses say on Canadian personnel and casualties but on also on the 'British Empire/Commonwealth', Allies and even to some extent the 'enemy'.

One other signifcant difference is the fact that it is highly frowned upon for the political leader to give any political speaches.... or to participate in any greater capacity than laying a wreath - and finally there are a lot less national flags around at the service.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Having attened services in the US, UK, and Canada I can say that there is a definite difference between the US Memorial Day & Veteran's Day services and public attitude, when compared to Remembrance Day services...

For one take Veteran's Day and Memorial Day and wrap it into one day, shift the focus to that of akin to a national service for the fallen (in theory conducted by the Anglican church), remove any semblance of a holiday (because it's not in most Commonwealth countries) from the day, and you get the Remembrance Day 'vibe' - a day that literally is a day for remembrance and a national outpouring of grief for the dead and the horror of war... it's not uncommon at all to see people weeping (civilians, veterans, and military) at the services.

It IS a holiday in Alberta and kids get the day off school in BC (not sure if it is a full-fledged holiday there). In Ontario, CIS private schools seem to schedule their half-term weekends around Remembrance Day.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

It IS a holiday in Alberta and kids get the day off school in BC (not sure if it is a full-fledged holiday there). In Ontario, CIS private schools seem to schedule their half-term weekends around Remembrance Day.

Yes... it's a government/civil-service holiday federally... and every year the concept of making it a national holiday is brought up - but the idea of it being a holiday is strongly opposed by the Legion and other veteran's associations, and it (a holiday) polls badly amongst senior citizens (up to 80% opposed).

I gotta say I've come around the thinking that it shouldn't be a holiday - simply because people treat it as a holiday and not as a day of remembrance... it's kinda funny that conservative Alberta and hippy BC both have the most complaints by the Legion over the lack of attendance at ceremonies (yes even worse than Quebec).

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Yes... it's a government/civil-service holiday federally... and every year the concept of making it a national holiday is brought up - but the idea of it being a holiday is strongly opposed by the Legion and other veteran's associations, and it (a holiday) polls badly amongst senior citizens (up to 80% opposed).

I gotta say I've come around the thinking that it shouldn't be a holiday - simply because people treat it as a holiday and not as a day of remembrance... it's kinda funny that conservative Alberta and hippy BC both have the most complaints by the Legion over the lack of attendance at ceremonies (yes even worse than Quebec).

I believe it used to be a national holiday, but that was the reason it was changed. No one was showing up for the ceremonies.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Lady Pi Phi

I believe it used to be a national holiday, but that was the reason it was changed. No one was showing up for the ceremonies.

That's kind of sad - people have always shown up for the ceremonies where I've lived, even with it being a holiday.