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08-29-2004, 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Firehouse
Here's a simple question: in a sorority formal rush, if quota is 35 and total is, say 100, why can't the small 30-member sorority pledge 50 or 60 girls in formal rush if they can get them to join?
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THEY CAN!!! They can open bid until they get 65 girls, and they don't have to do it all on bid night...they can take all semester to do it if they want to, they can take a second pledge class if they want to. If there's a Panhellenic out there preventing this, they are violating Green Book regulations. The only time this wouldn't be allowed is if there is a colony on campus. (Although if there's a chapter this far under total there shouldn't be a colony on campus.)
We SUCKED at formal rush...I would say at least half of our sisters came through COB. And guess what, when they printed our pledge classes in the paper it didn't have asterisks beside the girls we got through COB instead of formal and bid-matching. We never had a problem with it - but I know there are chapters who when they have to do it, become just sort of paralyzed and end up shooting themselves in the foot.
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08-29-2004, 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by pinkyphimu
i wouldn't agree with that...mainly because i only went through rush in order to become a member of the house that was considered the "bottom chapter." why? because the other three houses on my campus had very, very, very open hazing practices....and still do. i never really thought that getting food thrown at me in the middle of the street next to the president's house was a part of sisterhood. my chapter was considered the "bottom" because we didn't haze...and because we were younger than the other chapters. i am not saying that this reasoning works at most campus....or any other campus for that matter.
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Wow, Pinky. I can't beleive that that stuff still happens at schools. I'm glad that you took the high road and pledged somewhere that you knew would make you happy. It makes me sad that so many others would let themselves be put through that. I know my sisters would never have done that to me.
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02-26-2005, 11:56 PM
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02-27-2005, 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by AnchorAlumna
Wow! These are the most intelligent analyses of recruitment (AKA rush) that I have ever seen!
I believe Auburn is trying out this way of setting quota this year. Any comments here from Auburn Tigers? AEPhi alum, does this system work better?
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What we did last fall was revamp the release figures. Basically, if "top-tier" chapters (and/or chapters closest to campus total) had girls they knew they probably weren't going to extend bids to, they had to go on and release them earlier. It meant that girls weren't thinking that they just might be an ABC when that group knew she just didn't have that "ABC sparkle" that they wanted from everyone they pledged. That way PNM's weren't going to XYZ, ABC, and LMN for pref, ranking them in that order because XYZ and ABC were top-tier and LMN wasn't, but getting a bid from LMN.
The way I summed it up for my mom when she asked about it was "We're not going to be catching XYZ's leftovers." Meaning that we weren't going to be preffing girls that had wanted another sorority so badly she'd have suicided them pref night if they hadn't cut her. We were going to be preffing girls who had been cut from XYZ and ABC, but had still gone to other group's parties and decided she still wanted to find another home.
Which is not to say that we don't cross-pref with top chapters. It's just easier on us when we know a girl's not coming to us with her heart set on something else.
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02-27-2005, 07:22 PM
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I'm finding this discussion really interesting. Even though my school wasn't vicious, it was still competitive and lots of girls dropped out rather than get invited back to houses they didn't want. I'm sure there was tons of stuff going on behind the scenes that I never picked up on. I mean, when I rushed, I was totally clueless, so this is eye-opening for me.
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03-12-2005, 10:06 PM
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I have heard about a new panhellenic formal recruitment proceedure where . . . .
"Quota" sororities or "top" sororities HAVE to cut more girls on the 2nd day then say a middle or low sororities, that way the "top" sororities cant string along some poor girl who is a great pnm but "wants" only one specific sorority. That way she is forced to give other sororities another look or not go greek.
I would say (I went to a university with 4 sororities) that out of 120 girls going through recruitment, EVERY SORORITY wants the same 75 girls, and another 25 are still great girls (but, maybe aren't quite good at playing the recruitment game) and 20 are maybe questionable or unknown (i.e. no rec or seniors or questionable ethics or grades or whatever)
I have found that with all of the sororites looking and recruiting different girls, meaning . .
Alpha - wants 50 - grades-involvement-personallity-community etc
Beta - wants the same 50 cause of grades-apperance-involvement etc
Gamma - wants 50 cause of campus involvement-financial stability
Delta - wants 50 to make quota
with quota being 25 (for example) and
alpha and beta going for the same girls and having to cut the others that gives
delta and gamma a better recruiting chance and still the "top" sororities get the girls they want anyway.
I have heard that has already started at a few large SEC schools and it was a success for everyone involved but especially helped the middle sororities who don't necessarily compete with "top" sororities but are strong sororities in their own right.
I don't know if that answered any questions but I found that interesting and I am looking forward to seeing how it works at smaller greek universities.
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03-12-2005, 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by Angels&Arrows
This was actually a question on my recruitment registration form in the early 90's. Your father's name and occupation, your mother's name and occupation.
I helped my little proud Miss State KD cousin fill out her recruitment registration form about this time last year for Fall '02 Formal Rush at State and it was there too... As the question is on many of the recs I obtained for her!
Of course this could be just a question only asked in the south and by certain GLOs!
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Last time I checked (which was when I signed up), Auburn's recruitment registration form asked your parents' occupations. My mom and I joked that maybe some chapter here wouldn't have cut me so quickly had I listed my dad as an "independent cattle rancher" instead of a "mill worker." I find it kind of funny that some chapters really do seem to care--I can think of a couple right of the top of my head that seem to have tons of girls whose dads have their own businesses or are higher-ups in some company in like Birmingham or Atlanta and such.
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03-12-2005, 10:52 PM
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That's what we do now. It works wonders!
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yea I heard that AUBURN and ALABAMA started it what last year or 2003 or 2004 and Both ADPI at BAMA and AU said it worked great for them.
I am sure it is easier for the bid matchers in the end because the lists are more streamlined. I don't know I guess I will find out this year as recruitiment advisor I might understand it a little better then I did as a delta member.
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06-04-2006, 04:22 PM
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06-04-2006, 06:34 PM
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I don't get it....
What happens when there are 5 housed chapters, 2 "best/popular", 2 "mediums" and 1 really "low"?
The 2 tops are in the 120's for members, the mediums are pretty close to that, and the low has around 70. The school is about to add a sixth sorority but why would they do that if the 5th one can't make quota (and hasn't for at least 5 years)?
Also during a year that a colony is coming aboard is it ALWAYS the case that the quotas will be reduced?
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06-04-2006, 08:48 PM
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Re: I don't get it....
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Originally posted by sport
What happens when there are 5 housed chapters, 2 "best/popular", 2 "mediums" and 1 really "low"?
The 2 tops are in the 120's for members, the mediums are pretty close to that, and the low has around 70. The school is about to add a sixth sorority but why would they do that if the 5th one can't make quota (and hasn't for at least 5 years)?
Also during a year that a colony is coming aboard is it ALWAYS the case that the quotas will be reduced?
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The decision to add another group is up to the school. None of us can really answer why they would do it. The large groups may want another so that quota will go down and they may only need to persuade one more to go along with them. The whole majority rules thing.
Anytime one more group is added to recruitment, without an increase in the total number of women going through recruitment, of course quota will go down. It's simple math.
120 / 4 = 30
120 / 5 = 24
Now, if the colony just comes onboard and doesn't participate in recruitment, then no quota shouldn't go down (assuming the total number of women going through remains unchanged).
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06-05-2006, 02:00 PM
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Last fall I was chatting with Bama's Asst Dean of Students (aka Greek Advisor). Bama has been blessed with continued increases over the past several years in the number of PNM's going through Formal Recruitment and therefore larger quota's. The focus of our conversation was perhaps Bama needs another GLO on campus.
He said it was in the early stage of consideration with the Administration. However based on the last experience when we expanded, they would consider inviting 2 GLO's on campus the next time. With such a strong, established group of Chapters many of which have been on campus for 90+ years, it's too hard for the new one to compete.
This reminds me that I ought to check back with him and find out what the status is. I haven't heard anything since that conversation.
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06-05-2006, 02:18 PM
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the last experience when we expanded
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What happened? I take it that the expansion wasn't successful, but did the new chapter acquire a house, etc.?
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06-06-2006, 08:36 AM
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I'm not sure when the last expansion occurred at Bama because it was prior to my moving here, so sometime prior to 1994. They were given/leased/purchased (don't know the specifics) the house of a closed GLO on Sorority Row.
The "new" Chapter is strong now (numbers wise) and have always had a close-knit siterhood, but it certainly struggled in those early years and still does to some extent. Their numbers aren't even close to the size of the other Chapters on campus. They gain the majority of their members through open Recruitment, not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that practically every other Chapter routinely reaches quota during FR and they rarely, if ever, do.
A lot of the problem is the mindset of incoming PNMs onto a campus with such a strong Greek history and traditions. Many come in saying I want to be an ABC or nothing. They also don't wish to belong to the least "popular" Chapter. They'd rather be GDI or try again the following year. (Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm only reporting what I hear and see.)
Many people believe that it's unfair to have all but one Chapter at or above total while that one struggles with numbers. The competition is fierce for good girls. There are also financial considerations because obviously more members means more money coming in that can be spent on improving the physical house and doing fun activities. Which also makes them more attractive to PNMs.
That is why the current thought process of the Admin is that if we expand again it should be by 2 GLOs. Thus no one Chapter is the "low man on the totem pole".
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06-06-2006, 11:05 AM
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The last expansion at Alabama was in 1989, the "newest" chapter is 17 years old.
Here is my question, who would expand at Alabama? Three chapters have closed in the past 20 years. One of those within the past 5 years, and one within the past 15 years.
There are two other chapters that closed one in the 1970s (I think) and one before that.
Also the amount of PNMs being released from Alabama's recruitment is 65 plus the 49 who didn't receive bids, out of the women not receiving bids I would say the majority did not maximize their options.
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