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Old 03-04-2009, 06:12 PM
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Mutual selection?

My GLO doesn't offer an AI path to full membership, so I've been fascinated by the divergent and very vocal opinions on AI offered here at GC. I believe the unwavering support and mature leadership of a sorority's alumnae are its strength, so the idea of attracting new members at the alumnae level seems like a good idea to me. Granted, it's critical that the new members who join in that way understand the difference between membership as an alumna and membership as a collegiate -- that they're not trying to revive a missed collegiate experience -- but if they are ready to embrace the alumnae experience, that sounds like it would strengthen the sorority.

But there's one thing I'm still confused about. I'm completely addicted to the collegiate recruitment stories and can't count the number of times the PNMs were advised to keep an open mind and consider every chapter in their search for their new home. But when a PNAM comes along and mentions that she is researching three different sororities, she is lambasted for sorority shopping.

It seems like if you support the concept of mutual selection, it should apply at the AI level as well as the collegiate level.

It just makes me sad to think of strong, smart professionals being turned away from an organization that they want to devote time, energy, and money to....
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:21 PM
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My GLO doesn't offer an AI path to full membership, so I've been fascinated by the divergent and very vocal opinions on AI offered here at GC. I believe the unwavering support and mature leadership of a sorority's alumnae are its strength, so the idea of attracting new members at the alumnae level seems like a good idea to me. Granted, it's critical that the new members who join in that way understand the difference between membership as an alumna and membership as a collegiate -- that they're not trying to revive a missed collegiate experience -- but if they are ready to embrace the alumnae experience, that sounds like it would strengthen the sorority.

But there's one thing I'm still confused about. I'm completely addicted to the collegiate recruitment stories and can't count the number of times the PNMs were advised to keep an open mind and consider every chapter in their search for their new home. But when a PNAM comes along and mentions that she is researching three different sororities, she is lambasted for sorority shopping.

It seems like if you support the concept of mutual selection, it should apply at the AI level as well as the collegiate level.

It just makes me sad to think of strong, smart professionals being turned away from an organization that they want to devote time, energy, and money to....
Comparing collegiate recruitment and alumnae initiation is like comparing apples and oranges. Sure, mutual selection is important for AI, but it is nothing at all like collegiate recruitment.

I've always felt that Alumnae Initiation should be reserved for the women who've helped out the organization in some way, women who are approached by the organization for this privilege known as membership. When a PNAM shops around for sororities she wants to AI, it's saying to me "I've got more than one I want to join, and I want to keep the others around just in case yours doesn't work out."

There's nothing to be confused about. You just DON'T compare recruitment and Alumnae Initiation.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:27 PM
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When a PNAM shops around for sororities she wants to AI, it's saying to me "I've got more than one I want to join, and I want to keep the others around just in case yours doesn't work out."
This is exactly the approach GC encourages for PNMs. So why do the most vocal posters on GC advise just the opposite for PNAMs?

And I think you missed my point about mutual selection. Denying PNAMs the right to make the first overture is essentially denying their part of the mutual selection process.

AOEForMe, thanks for your response. I agree that selecting someone who may live in your house for several years requires a different process than selecting someone to serve on committees and monthly alumnae chapter meetings. Good point.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:33 PM
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This is exactly the approach GC encourages for PNMs. So why do the most vocal posters on GC advise just the opposite for PNAMs?
Because AI is NOTHING like collegiate recruitment. Just because there are two methods of entry into membership into an organization does not mean the attitudes and approach for one has to be applied to the other.

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And I think you missed my point about mutual selection. Denying PNAMs the right to make the first overture is essentially denying their part of the mutual selection process.
No, I don't think I missed your point at all. If Abigail Alumna wants to petition Patty PNAM for membership, Patty PNAM would have to be willing to go through AI. There you go, AI mutual selection.

Collegiate chapters don't have to take in every PNM that wants to be a member very badly. Why should Alum Chapters have to take in every strong, smart professional that wants to devote time, energy, and money?

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Old 03-04-2009, 06:44 PM
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It's simple: collegiate chapters are designed to recruite new members. Alumnae chapters are designed to enable alumnae to continue in the group they joined after they leave college. They are NOT meant to recruit - they are meant to be a continuation from college. AI programs exist to honour women who the GLO believes have contributed to the GLO already, or who have a tie to the group (i.e. mothers, volunteers). Some NPC groups do not have an AI program at all.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:36 PM
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It's simple: collegiate chapters are designed to recruite new members. Alumnae chapters are designed to enable alumnae to continue in the group they joined after they leave college. They are NOT meant to recruit - they are meant to be a continuation from college.
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I'm not suggesting that sororities must accept everyone who expresses an interest. Of course not!

But I feel bad for Patty PNAM, waiting around for Abigail Alumna to recognize what a fantastic sister she would be. This is analogous to the way well-bred young ladies in my mother's generation had to wait for men to ask them out. It was scandalous for the girls to ask a boy out back in the day. Why is it so wrong for Patty to express her interest? How will Abi know Patty is even interested otherwise? Maybe it's time for this social norm to catch up with other social norms, and encourage women to take more direct ownership of their own happiness rather than just waiting around for something to fall into their lap.
If Patty PNAM would truly be a fantastic sister, Abigail Alumna would see it without Patty calling her attention to it and, if Abigail's GLO initiates alumnae, she could bring up the subject. Abigail would know whether or not Patty was sister material for one or more of the following reasons:

A) Patty was already one of Abigail's good friends and demonstrated the traits and values that Abigail's GLO holds dear (and I add that traits and values part because just because someone is a rockin' friend doesn't necessarily mean she'd be a good sister),

B) Patty had been helping Abigail's GLO in some way and had a proven track record, or

C) Patty's daughter/stepdaughter/niece/etc was a sister of Abigail's GLO and had supported the sisterhood for some time.

Let me also add that Abigail Alumna may be best friends with Nancy Non-Greek, and Nancy might be an exceptional woman with multiple Nobel Peace Prizes, a load of Olympic Gold Medals, and a patent on the cure for cancer, but she may not be interested in alumnae initiation, even if Abigail wants to sponsor her and brings up the topic.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:45 PM
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I'm not suggesting that sororities must accept everyone who expresses an interest. Of course not!

But I feel bad for Patty PNAM, waiting around for Abigail Alumna to recognize what a fantastic sister she would be. This is analogous to the way well-bred young ladies in my mother's generation had to wait for men to ask them out. It was scandalous for the girls to ask a boy out back in the day. Why is it so wrong for Patty to express her interest? How will Abi know Patty is even interested otherwise? Maybe it's time for this social norm to catch up with other social norms, and encourage women to take more direct ownership of their own happiness rather than just waiting around for something to fall into their lap.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:51 PM
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I'm not suggesting that sororities must accept everyone who expresses an interest. Of course not!

Why is it so wrong for Patty to express her interest? How will Abi know Patty is even interested otherwise? Maybe it's time for this social norm to catch up with other social norms, and encourage women to take more direct ownership of their own happiness rather than just waiting around for something to fall into their lap.

That's just how the policy in some sororities works. My thoughts:


Originally, AI was created to honor non-members who have served the sorority in some capacity (faculty advisor, housemom, etc). So I think that's why AI works the way it does now. Because it wasn't meant for everybody and their mom who was interested. Just certain "special cases." It wasn't meant to be an option for people to regularly pursue membership (like collegiate recruitment). Hence why the mutual selection thing does not apply in this case.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:46 PM
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Honestly, I view this kind of how NPHC views this sort of thing.

If you're keeping an open mind to different groups, great. But it's all about discretion. As in, not coming onto the internet and talking about all of the different sororities you've contacted.

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Old 03-04-2009, 07:09 PM
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I'd also like to add that NPC members don't question the membership intake processes of NPHC or Multi-cultural sororities, or professional groups, or fraternities.

And those groups shouldn't question the membership intake processes of others. What works for one will not always work for all.

NPC sororities get the vast majority of it's members through it's collegiate chapters. So if you didn't feel you had time for it then, well, you missed the boat.

There are so many groups out there - like the Junior League for example - that are doing great things for philanthropic causes.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:14 PM
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I'd also like to add that NPC members don't question the membership intake processes of NPHC or Multi-cultural sororities, or professional groups, or fraternities.

And those groups shouldn't question the membership intake processes of others. What works for one will not always work for all.
No. We question each other daily. It's conversation and there's nothing wrong with it.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:14 PM
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I'd also like to add that NPC members don't question the membership intake processes of NPHC or Multi-cultural sororities, or professional groups, or fraternities.

And those groups shouldn't question the membership intake processes of others. What works for one will not always work for all.

NPC sororities get the vast majority of it's members through it's collegiate chapters. So if you didn't feel you had time for it then, well, you missed the boat.
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If anyone started a thread saying "Well, I think the NPHC groups' membership selction/intake processes are ______ and we think that it should be more like ______ because it concerns me that Interests/Prospective Members don't go through a process more like the NPC sororities."

The response from NPHC members would pretty much be "That is none of your concern."
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:47 PM
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My GLO doesn't offer an AI path to full membership, so I've been fascinated by the divergent and very vocal opinions on AI offered here at GC. I believe the unwavering support and mature leadership of a sorority's alumnae are its strength, so the idea of attracting new members at the alumnae level seems like a good idea to me. Granted, it's critical that the new members who join in that way understand the difference between membership as an alumna and membership as a collegiate -- that they're not trying to revive a missed collegiate experience -- but if they are ready to embrace the alumnae experience, that sounds like it would strengthen the sorority.

But there's one thing I'm still confused about. I'm completely addicted to the collegiate recruitment stories and can't count the number of times the PNMs were advised to keep an open mind and consider every chapter in their search for their new home. But when a PNAM comes along and mentions that she is researching three different sororities, she is lambasted for sorority shopping.

It seems like if you support the concept of mutual selection, it should apply at the AI level as well as the collegiate level.

It just makes me sad to think of strong, smart professionals being turned away from an organization that they want to devote time, energy, and money to....
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IMO, it the fact that during your collegiate years, you're looking for a group of women who you most mesh with based on their personality. As an alum, you join an organization whose ideals and objectives you most identify with.

I'd almost compare it to the NPHC: you DON'T openly examine several groups. You research, choose the one with whom you most identify, and pursue membership only in that organization. Not multiple.

That's how I feel about it anyways. As an alum, you're not having sisterhoods and fraternity mixers. You aren't living with a bunch of your BFFs. You're choosing a group to volunteer with and programs to further. So, I think it's kind of a different story.

Just my two cents.... as far as I know, Alpha Ep doesn't allow AI either, so I haven't personally experienced this, so I may be far off. It's just how I view the topic.
Neither of you are members of an NPC sorority (If I am wrong I apologize) so I don't think you completely understand how we do things, and why. You may have been on campus with or rushed NPC groups, but each chapter, of each group, varies and since we only agree to certain unanimous agreements, we decide on membership for collegiate and alumnae members on our own terms. This also varies from chapter to chapter, and year to year. An AI or PNM may not have a snowball's chance in hell when certain people are involved, or depending on the dynamic at that time, but that can change completely for whatever reason. I respect (but not necessarily agree) with the membership choices made with my own chapter and sorority, let alone with all my NPC sisters, but unless there is something that violates our values or is outright wrong, I need to respect those decisions.

Also your generalization about how we pick groups is wrong. I know women in every sorority and wouldn't have joined based on personality of the group. I made a choice that had to do with Alpha Gam, and in fact there are sisters who are my bffs, my two bffs in the world are not Alpha Gams. There are people who have touched my life and other reasons I became an Alpha Gam, and I know other women (not just on GC) chose a group for personal reasons that have nothing to do with the personality of the women at rush. A lot of women see the "big picture" and that's how we operate.

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Unpopular opinion: Are NPC orgs really doing that much for humanity that women would rather join a sorority as an alum over the Junior League, the Order of the Eastern Star, or as volunteers and board members of their favorite nonprofits?

In the District of Columbia I don't see it.

That said, I do agree with OPhiAGinger in that there is inconsistency in the NPC messages about the paths to membership that goes beyond each NPC having their own alumnae or honorary membership process.

It wouldn't kill an NPC or two to have an AI process which was structured more like an NPHC sorority -- and it wouldn't kill an NPC to have no AI process at all.

Take it to the convention floor, ladies! Some of the gates are wide open.
I can see AI happening in an area without those organizations, but with a college, for example where I live there are two land grant universities, and the nearest Junior League and Eastern Star are about 90 miles away. Some places are hard to find advisors and involvement, and I've even advised a group that isn't mine due to there not being a lot of people who have the want or understanding to do it.

I think what you are perceiving as inconsistencies has to do with all 26 groups doing their own thing, but since we're all NPC members who agree to certain standards, we fall into a strange space. I really like that each group can do what they want as long as they follow the unanimous agreements. I know NPHC groups have some similarities in structure, and they are all NPHC members, but I'd never assume they had anything similar in membership intake, standards, or anything else.
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Neither of you are members of an NPC sorority (If I am wrong I apologize) so I don't think you completely understand how we do things, and why.
True. I'm not a member of an NPC and, therefore, not privy to many of the inner workings of your organizations. That's why I'm asking questions --- to build my understanding. Thanks for your response!
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:45 PM
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Unpopular opinion: Are NPC orgs really doing that much for humanity that women would rather join a sorority as an alum over the Junior League, the Order of the Eastern Star, or as volunteers and board members of their favorite nonprofits?

In the District of Columbia I don't see it.

That said, I do agree with OPhiAGinger in that there is inconsistency in the NPC messages about the paths to membership that goes beyond each NPC having their own alumnae or honorary membership process.

It wouldn't kill an NPC or two to have an AI process which was structured more like an NPHC sorority -- and it wouldn't kill an NPC to have no AI process at all.

Take it to the convention floor, ladies! Some of the gates are wide open.
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