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07-10-2006, 06:01 PM
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1. I don't think that has happened before. At least not to my knowledge. Does anyone know what the answer to this one is?
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You can get as many snap bids as there are houses who are not at quota (at least, this is the case at UGA). During my senior year at UGA (Fall '03 rush), a staggering amount of houses needed to snap bid girls to reach quota (some needed as few as 1 or 2 girls, but this still resulted in a lot of busy signals as every house tried to call the gals who mismatched). I remember hearing a story from a new member of another house about how she was awakened beginning at 6:00 in the morning with snap bid phone calls and had already heard from 3 houses before she heard from the house she ended up pledging. As long as a PNM does not commit with a "yes" to a house, she can still receive and potentially accept snap bids from other houses.
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07-10-2006, 06:10 PM
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In my experience with snap bidding, the recruitment counselors did the actual calling on Bid Day morning to their PNM's who had not been matched (that is still one of the worst experiences of my college life-- I felt so helpless listening to them cry on the other end of the phone line when they found out that they hadn't gotten into their top 2 or 3). Some women got multiple offers; others only had one. This left the PNM not feeling as pressured by the sorority to accept, and it ran a bit more smoothly.
Where a woman declined a snap bid, she might receive a call from another sorority a few days later directly because they had girls who were no-shows at Bid Day.
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07-10-2006, 06:59 PM
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that is still one of the worst experiences of my college life
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Delivering bad news to a teenager is one of the most unpleasant tasks you can do in life.
I used to work at the admissions office at my college, and occasionally the admissions letter would get lost and the kid would call us a week later wondering if they got in. 90% of the time, the answer was no...so once we verified that it was really the applicant calling, I had to personally crush their dream that they'd worked toward for four years (or more).
I hadn't made the decision myself, and in some cases, the kid really hadn't earned an acceptance. But that didn't make it any easier or more pleasant.
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07-11-2006, 03:52 PM
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Connie Steps on Soap Box and . . . .
I heard a story (ok go with me here I do have a point) about an ADPi chapter (I am not going to say which one) that had 18 sisters when total was ~150. So, these 18 girls picked themselves up by their "bootstraps" and with fantastic sisterhood, wonderful recruiting (cool recruitment dvd) MASS PR for a year or so and new release figures . . . THEY ARE NOW a chapter with 2 years of quota behind them and ~88 sisters in the chapter. I have seen this DVD and these girls were cute - I mean they didn't look like left overs from the greek system so their problem, apparently, was PR and allot of years without local leadership.
Now, I am sure that these "new" release figures from National Panhellenic are going to help the situation greatly. And, allot of otherwise great "small" chapters will move into the "STRONG chapter" catagory and then the whole greek system will succeed and grow.
I find it hard to "feel bad" for the pnm who won't take a "growing" chapter because she heard they weren't the best (unless that specific sorority has poor communication skills or can't smile at a party or really does make a horrible impression during recruitment) However I, too, come from a small greek university (4 panhellenic sororities.) I think it would be easier to pick from 4 because even the 4th best is still pretty good. But, I don't know how to think about the worst on a 20 sorority campus.
So, my point is if the pnm gets released by her 1st 2nd & 3rd choice on a campus with 20 sororities, I still don't feel bad for them because I mean how bad can her 8th choice be ( I mean 20 for goodness sake) and if she goes BIDDLESS she has only herself to blame - that is like your parent telling you you can live in my house but you cant smoke and then you moving out and telling your friends that your parent kicked you out - that is rediculous.
woops got alittle floopy there I hope it made some sense.
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07-12-2006, 04:52 PM
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Is there ever a good time to "suicide"? Like when a girl gets invites to two sororities on pref night. One she is crazy about...the other, she knows she will not pledge. It is drilled into her head not to suicide...so she dutifully puts both the GLO's down on her pref card, and the worst happens(at least in her mind)...she is offered a bid to the sorority she has no intention of joining. Wouldn't it be better for her and the sorority she will refuse...for her to go solo and hope for the best? I have heard stories from girls that maybe they would have gotten their first choice if they would not have listed the second on their pref card because the sorority they didn't want had them high on the bid list...and the one they truly wanted had them somewhere in the middle...but because her second choice ranked her so high...she basically had no shot at her first choice. I suppose this could apply to just first and second choices period. Doesn't alot of the matching have to do with how high each sorority places you on their bid lists?
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07-12-2006, 05:01 PM
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Is there ever a good time to "suicide"? Like when a girl gets invites to two sororities on pref night. One she is crazy about...the other, she knows she will not pledge. It is drilled into her head not to suicide...so she dutifully puts both the GLO's down on her pref card, and the worst happens(at least in her mind)...she is offered a bid to the sorority she has no intention of joining. Wouldn't it be better for her and the sorority she will refuse...for her to go solo and hope for the best? I have heard stories from girls that maybe they would have gotten their first choice if they would not have listed the second on their pref card because the sorority they didn't want had them high on the bid list...and the one they truly wanted had them somewhere in the middle...but because her second choice ranked her so high...she basically had no shot at her first choice. I suppose this could apply to just first and second choices period. Doesn't alot of the matching have to do with how high each sorority places you on their bid lists?
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I personally do not have an issue with PNM's "suiciding", particularly in a situation like this where she knew she wouldn't be happy. How many times have we told new members who came to GC and complained about how much they dislike their group that they might as well depledge and give up that spot to someone who would be a good and appreciative sister? I am not a fan of pressuring girls not to suicide.
I do have an issue with girls who cut groups very early on and don't give them a chance, i.e. maximizing their options. No one should be forced to join a group they don't want to be a part of, but they should give the groups a fair chance.
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07-12-2006, 05:32 PM
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Some campuses will not give a bid to a girl who has suicide. Either the computer program kicks her out or this policy has been enacted for certain reasons (usually abuse of the system).
If this is the case w/ SY's PNM, she should put down 1) her first choice 2) a group or 2 who dropped her right away and that she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of joining. This way if she doesn't match with her first choice, she will be "free" and not bound to any group.
There's a difference between "they're OK" and "I would rather live on an iceberg and be eaten by polar bears than join this group." If it's #2, then by NO circumstances should you EVER put it on your bid card...no matter what anyone says.
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07-12-2006, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by southernyankee
I have heard stories from girls that maybe they would have gotten their first choice if they would not have listed the second on their pref card because the sorority they didn't want had them high on the bid list...and the one they truly wanted had them somewhere in the middle...but because her second choice ranked her so high...she basically had no shot at her first choice. I suppose this could apply to just first and second choices period. Doesn't alot of the matching have to do with how high each sorority places you on their bid lists?
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If the chapter really, really wanted Polly PNM, she would be on their first bid list. If Polly put ABC first and ABC had her on the first bid list then there would be a match. If ABC had her somewhere near the top of the second bid list, it is possible that ABC made quota before they got to Polly's name. That may be a reason she got a bid from XYZ as XYZ was second on her list. The only way that I can see ABC having an opening later is that they had a drop on bid day or they have a place or two to reach total. It happens.
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07-12-2006, 05:42 PM
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Is there ever a good time to "suicide"?
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I was told never to suicide, but I did. The question I tell PNMs to ask themselves is "Would I really rather not be Greek than not join this sorority?" If the answer is yes, then it's time to suicide... but usually, the answer is no.
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07-12-2006, 06:47 PM
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The biggest problem here is that all of these calculations are not something that PNMs know. They don't think it would be better to pick a chapter that dropped them, even though it's beating the system.
Things need to be made straight forward.
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07-12-2006, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by southernyankee
Is there ever a good time to "suicide"? Like when a girl gets invites to two sororities on pref night. One she is crazy about...the other, she knows she will not pledge. It is drilled into her head not to suicide...so she dutifully puts both the GLO's down on her pref card, and the worst happens(at least in her mind)...she is offered a bid to the sorority she has no intention of joining. Wouldn't it be better for her and the sorority she will refuse...for her to go solo and hope for the best? I have heard stories from girls that maybe they would have gotten their first choice if they would not have listed the second on their pref card because the sorority they didn't want had them high on the bid list...and the one they truly wanted had them somewhere in the middle...but because her second choice ranked her so high...she basically had no shot at her first choice. I suppose this could apply to just first and second choices period. Doesn't alot of the matching have to do with how high each sorority places you on their bid lists?
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Ok I was just looking into this. . . at the university I deal with . . . ics does not allow "ranking" beyond the parties that you attend. (for example you go to ABC and XYZ on pref and you only want ABC then you must put both sororities down to be eligable for "quota additions" or "snap bidding" . . . in case you are not on ABC's first list [however if you suicide and you arent on ABC's first list then that is IT! NOTHING!])
BUT, what I was thinking (and someone else might have already said this) is if I was a pnm, and I knew what I know now, I would put ABC first and then some other sorority that I didn't attend their pref night second. (cause if you don't go to someones pref then you aren't anywhere on their bid list) Then you aren't "suiciding" so, you are eligable for another sorority or ABC if they get to your ranking. I don't think the GAMMA CHI's can say that but at least that would not leave the pnm in a sorority that that think they HATE and that leaves them open to CR's. And that also doesn't leave a spot in XYZ for a girl that wants them . . . when the pnm doesn't "run".
I hope that made sense.
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07-12-2006, 07:05 PM
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But how do you know which schools have systems that "spit out" a suicide card? The schools certainly don't advertise this. I would think it would be pretty gutsy of a PNM to put a GLO on their pref sheet that didn't invite them back in round one. Could that work against them too?
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07-12-2006, 10:57 PM
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But how do you know which schools have systems that "spit out" a suicide card? The schools certainly don't advertise this. I would think it would be pretty gutsy of a PNM to put a GLO on their pref sheet that didn't invite them back in round one. Could that work against them too?
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It's not gutsy because no one sees the bid card except the rush counselors or the Greek advisor and they're supposed to keep everything secret.
I'm not sure which programs do this but if you are filling out a computerized sheet rather than something matched by hand it might be a better safe than sorry bet.
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07-13-2006, 12:30 PM
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Well, hopefully it won't be an issue when my daughter rushes this fall!
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