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Old 07-30-2020, 02:48 PM
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Phi Mu Ending the Use Of Hand Signs

No more "throwing what you know" by Phi Mu. They have determined that using hand signs is cultural appropriation. I am sure the rest of the NPC will follow along shortly.

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Old 07-30-2020, 03:25 PM
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Thank God.

I realize that some NPC groups do have hand signs that go back to their early years, but most donít, and seeing this always made me cringe before ďcultural appropriationĒ was even a phrase. Itís a bunch of white girls looking ridiculous.
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Old 07-30-2020, 03:31 PM
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It's definitely cultural appropriation...but....

Did they even ask us (NPHC) what we even think about it?

Because, 1) Most of us don't care about handsigns. We care when you start performing in step shows, and 2) Not every NPHC handsign is official, either.
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Old 07-30-2020, 03:40 PM
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I think sororities are hoping these small acts will pacify enough people that the big changes won't have to happen. I think sororities are terrified of the big changes, because that will have to be in the realm of recruitment and membership.
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Old 07-30-2020, 04:51 PM
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It's definitely cultural appropriation...but....

Did they even ask us (NPHC) what we even think about it?

Because, 1) Most of us don't care about handsigns. We care when you start performing in step shows, and 2) Not every NPHC handsign is official, either.
Yes.

If I can be honest, I’m not sure how many NPHC members even know the NPC is throwing signs in the first place. My NPHC friends that don’t work in higher education don’t know much about the IFC/NPC to begin with, let alone the culture, so I don’t know what this changes.

When I was an undergrad, the NPC members weren’t throwing signs at my school and neither were my friends from other schools. When I started working in higher ed, that’s when I saw it more frequently. While I found it random, I didn’t really care. Just don’t throw my sign or do my call, strolls or steps and I’m good.
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Old 07-30-2020, 06:33 PM
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Yes.

If I can be honest, Iím not sure how many NPHC members even know the NPC is throwing signs in the first place. My NPHC friends that donít work in higher education donít know much about the IFC/NPC to begin with, let alone the culture, so I donít know what this changes.

When I was an undergrad, the NPC members werenít throwing signs at my school and neither were my friends from other schools. When I started working in higher ed, thatís when I saw it more frequently. While I found it random, I didnít really care. Just donít throw my sign or do my call, strolls or steps and Iím good.
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Our hand sign is a crescent. I like that. Probably even more common than the "hand sign" crescent is the whole body, both arms crescent.

Some members throw a Gamma sign, and that has been deemed unacceptable. Despite many reminders of this policy, you'll still see some bid day pics with members throwing that Gamma sign...and so the reminder will be made again. I just saw a reminder in last week's collegiate newsletter. It feels like an uphill battle to get members to comply where that sign has become the "thing." If this becomes a widespread edict, this will likely take a while to eradicate and it may be a case of closing the barn door after the horse got out.
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ADPi start "throwing diamonds" in the 70s, and I'm not really sure that the whole gang culture was very big then. As it's a very simple sign, I don't mind it (I've thrown one with a Santa Claus!), but some really do look a little odd.
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ADPi start "throwing diamonds" in the 70s, and I'm not really sure that the whole gang culture was very big then. As it's a very simple sign, I don't mind it (I've thrown one with a Santa Claus!), but some really do look a little odd.
What does gang culture have to do with it?
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Old 07-30-2020, 09:36 PM
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Old 07-30-2020, 09:37 PM
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In the parlance of "appropriation of culture".
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Old 07-30-2020, 09:58 PM
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APhi’s Ivy Leaf, DG’s salute, GPhiB Crescent, and PiPhi’s wings are 4 that aren’t the same. I hope they stay.

Some of them (like the quatrefoil) are ridiculous, as most girls can’t do them! And soooo many look alike.
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Old 07-30-2020, 10:20 PM
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It's definitely cultural appropriation...but....

Did they even ask us (NPHC) what we even think about it?

Because, 1) Most of us don't care about handsigns. We care when you start performing in step shows, and 2) Not every NPHC handsign is official, either.
The questions is whether the adoption of handsigns and step shows etc on the part of the Professional Fraternities at HBCUs (Alpha Phi Omega, Gamma Sigma Sigma, Kappa Kappa Psi, Tau Beta Sigma) falls into the same category. It is adaptation of the the NPHC concepts, but almost entirely by other African Americans.

(This can be dated to the late 1940s or early 1950s)
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Old 07-30-2020, 11:24 PM
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APhiís Ivy Leaf, DGís salute, GPhiB Crescent, and PiPhiís wings are 4 that arenít the same. I hope they stay.

Some of them (like the quatrefoil) are ridiculous, as most girls canít do them! And soooo many look alike.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Alpha Phi stole their hand sign from AKA. So, there's that.
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What does gang culture have to do with it?
That’s my question. The appropriation discussion is about the NPHC, so I’m not sure what gangs has to do with it.

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APhi’s Ivy Leaf, DG’s salute, GPhiB Crescent, and PiPhi’s wings are 4 that aren’t the same. I hope they stay.

Some of them (like the quatrefoil) are ridiculous, as most girls can’t do them! And soooo many look alike.
Ahhhhh...I forgot about the Alpha Phi Ivy. That is often a topic of conversation. Every year it’s “discovered” by someone and then bidday pictures make the rounds on the social media pages, because of the similarity to AKA. Zeta Phi Beta and Phi Beta Sigma also throw wings as well, but for Doves. However, I can’t say I’ve seen any comments about Pi Phi.
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