GAYS IN YOUR SORORITY/FRATERNITY?

[mgdzkm433]

all I have to say is oh no. . .is your name fred?

I am a sorority alumna who went to a rural university in a Southern state. Only after transferring to a more urban school after my second year, could I "come out". I always wondered if I would have been kicked out of my organization if I'd stayed. I held many high offices and had just been elected VP/Pledge Trainer when I decided to leave. I have avoided members in the sorority at the university where I am now pursuing my Ph.D. and alumni chapters who have contacted me. I am happy to see that most of you are open-minded. I was initiated in 1990. Something tells me that you are not in chapters in the South or in rural areas.
After transferring and coming out, I visited some of my sisters with my girlfriend at the time. A couple of them were full of questions. I heard shortly after that one of them came out. I've heard she's had a hard time of it living in that small town.
Perhaps things are changing within the chapters these days. I wonder how it is possible to find gay/lesbian members/alumni of particular sororities/frats. I suspect that it would be difficult

[awatters]

women love gay men. It's a proven fact. Gay men are "safe" and non-threatening, and they can talk about fashion intelligently. D.amn!

[RedAngel]

Mikki,
I feel that as long as a personal accepts the principals of their GLO or BGLO their religious belief shouldn't come into play. When I was a junior in college, I was a member of the literary club and we had received a submission from a student who was a known Wiccan. Apparently the manuscript needed some help but nobody knew how to approach this person (I guess they thought she would hex them). Since, I was the last one to join the group, I was given the task. She was very nice and appreciated that somebody took the time to talk with her. She made the changes and it was published. I ended up good friends with this person who explained to me what Wicca was. I'm staying with my denomination--I can see where they go through a lot because of the stereotypes that are out there.

[mgdzkm433]

Yes, I don't believe that anyone's religious beliefs should be taken into account when applying for membership into any greek organiziation. Wiccans, pagans, occult members and witches are widely recognized as being devil worshipers. That couldn't be further from the truth. But I won't get into that here.

I have grown up in a rural area all my life and I went to a school in a rural area. Nobody ever had a problem with gay and lesbian students on campus, and I don't think that we would have a problem with one of them pledging any of the greek organizations. Even if they come out AFTER initiation, I don't think anyone would really care. That happened to one of the professional organizations on my campus, and i would have to say that if any of the members were even close to being homophobic, it was the guys big brother, but he got over it and they were still really close friends.

[cubscout#7]

Its always so funny when fraternity and sorority members talk about not on my line or not in my chapter.Being openly gay and gay are two different things.

Theres a good possibility one or more of your founders was gay or bisexual.And whether you know it or not, whether you want to admit it or not quite a few of your brothers are gay or bisexual.

Atleast Omega Psi Phi embraces Langston Hughes, a Que they're proud of, but a Que who was gay.

[BigGrin]

So here is the deal,
Next year I will be heading off for college,
Ive been to some rush parties (yes already) and I even got a bid. . .which I accepted
The thing is, if you didnt notice from the title... I'm bi (it's acually more confusing than that, but we don't have the time ) and the thing I'm worried about most of all, more than leaving my parents, more than tuition and scholarships, is what to do about this situation.

I read some of your other post and they all seemed pretty motivational (cept for Fred and his buddies ). But i'm still nervous cause I know the contents of this board cannot reflect the entire fraternity system.

So what should i do? Should I :
1)play it off the whole for years I'm there and just not ever let them get to know the real me?

2)or give them time to warm up to it and tell them one by one?

3) or should this be the first thing out of my mouth when they open the door to great me.

I would normally opt for #2, but i have heard that may cause a ruckus because i wasnt honest with them to begin with.
and #1 and #3 have their obvious disadvantages.

I'm totally lost here guys, any and all info would be helpful
Thanx for reading all that

PS::: I'm no flammer



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I sought My God and I could not see
I sought my soul and it alluded me
I sought my brother and found all three

Homosexuality may be condoned by society, but not God. If you choose to be an enemy of God, then that's your choice.
mzdgkm,
If it's not about religion, why are your rplies full of religious rhetoric? You can make every foolish attempt to mix witchcraft and Christianity together, but it won't work. That's why society is so messed up now. People trying to make Christianity into a religion. Homosexuality is an abomination. The only thing that can be offered to a homosexual is Jesus, and a changed lifestyle. Homosexuality does not make any common sense either. What is it's purpose, except pleasure. NONE!

[IWANNABEASOROR]

In my bible it also says
judge not lest thou be judged. And Christ says Love others as I have loved you. I dont think you read the entire book. No one filled with as much hate as you could love my God.

Youre mean.God will deal with you.

Melchisedic,

You claim that homosexuality serves no purpose except pleasure - If such is the case then by your same logic do you or will you only engage in heterosexuality (namely sexual intercourse) for the sole purpose of procreation of the species? While I have my personal opinions on sexuality, sexuality and the expression of such is also an intimate way that humans can express thier love for one another.

In addition, many christian sects have condoned homosexuality and the sexual practices. While others recognize the tendancies, yet make no formal union through which it is acceptable (ie marriage), and condemn any actions on the tendancies.

[mgdzkm433]

Foolish attempt? Are you saying that faith in oneself and in one's belief is foolish? You are condeming me for what I believe? Who are you to judge me? In my humble opinion, Religion is not just something you go listen to a preacher or priest talk about. There is a deeper meaning. It is felt in your heart, mind, and soul. You can think whatever you want about me, I don't care. As long as I believe that my religion is right for me and it makes me happy, nothing anyone thinks or says makes a difference. People have every right to practice whatever religion they believe. You can think I'm foolish if you want, but how will you know how foolish I am until you feel what I feel, see what I see, and do what I do? Religions are based on faith. Whatever I want to practice or worship IS possible as long as I have faith in it. Think I'm foolish all you want, your opinion of my faith doesn't matter.

I never said that homosexuality has NOTHING to do with religion. Go back and read. I said that Religion has nothing to do with GLO's, not homosexuality. I also never made religous refrences to anything. I asked what people would do if they found out a member was a witch. I then gave a background of the basic religion most witches follow, so as not to mislead anyone. You obviously have misread something, so I urge you to go back and read again. I reread the posts I wrote so as to see what you might have thought. Yes, I did quote a passage from the BIBLE. However, I did NOT bring the religious part into this conversation. If you go back and read, I only stated first that sexual prefrence has nothing to do with GLO's, then, someone else brought in the religious aspect. When they became negative and began judging, I countered their response with the passage. I did not make religious refrences towards GLO's or Homosexuality. I made a religious comment to an individual. I still stand by my comment that GLO's have nothing to do with religion. Neither does homosexuality have anything to do with GLO's.

Another thing. Christianity isn't a religion? What is it then? Christianity is one of, if not the, mostly widly recognized religion in the world. You're telling me that these people's faith is wrong? Any faith is good and right for an individual as long as it makes them happy. If you want to get technical, Christianity is recognized and protected by law as a religion in the US, so is neo-paganism, wicca, and occult beliefs.



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Mikki Gates
Delta Zeta Alum
Kappa Mu Chapter
Sigma Alpha Iota Alum
Eta Tau Chapter

"I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."

--Julia Roberts
(Steel Magnolias)

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[mgdzkm433]

Oh, and I forgot to mention. If you had also read one of my previous posts, I stated that not all wiccans practice witchcraft, not all but most. The same goes for pagans and occult member. You see PAGANISM(wich includes all of the above) is a religion. WITCHCRAFT is not. The two are totally different. I for one do NOT practice witchcraft at this point in time. SO, I suggest you do a little reading and educate youself on the subjects of paganism and witchcraft before you come in and make 1) and ass of yourself, and 2) assumptions about other people and religions. Thanks.


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Mikki Gates
Delta Zeta Alum
Kappa Mu Chapter
Sigma Alpha Iota Alum
Eta Tau Chapter

"I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."

--Julia Roberts
(Steel Magnolias)

Visit me at:
http://homepages.go.com/~dzkm433/index.html
and
http://www.calypso.com/dzkm433/welcomtomyworld.chtml

[kj0423]

You need to be open to all people. In order to be "elite" or special, you need to act that way and by being discriminating you are not meeting the standards of your organization.
Many campuses such, as Penn State, have lesbian sororities. Panhellenic does support this organization and I strongly suggest others to do so.
It is an incredible opportunity to learn!

Kelly-Jean Erwin
Alpha Delta Pi Sorority
Delta Kappa Chapter
Penn State University

[Diva_56]

Originally posted by mgdzkm433:
The reason why I asked this question is to sort of get a point across. I didn't have any negitive responses, which is good. Many people have a missconception of witchcraft and the religion known as wicca. Most people believe that witchcraft or wicca is the craft of the "devil." Which is completely untrue. Witches and wiccans (even pagens and occult members) have been given a bad name for centuries. None of these believe that there even IS a devil. The whole concept was created by Christians. Before Christianity was "popular" per say, many people lived in tribes. Each tribe had a type of "witch." Most didn't call themselves witches though. These witches were the tribes law, educator, wise man, leader, healer. It is a religion based on nature and 2 deities. One being a Goddess and the other being a God. The Goddess rules the earth and the Moon, while the God (the horned god) ruled the sun and the animal kingdom. Christians, in order to further their religion, came to the tribes and told them that their God (the horned god) was a bad god and that he was a devil. Many people converted because they were then afraid. Those who didn't convert were killed. It is called the Burning Times. It is estimated that between thousands to millions of people were put to death because they were considered witches. This misconception of witchcraft, and the religions surrounding it, has lasted even to this day. Anyway, the point I'm getting to. Many people have a missconcepting about homosexual people. People don't understand and therefor come to conclusions that are, more often then not, completely untrue. Are we going to weed these poeple out? Are we going to discriminate against them because they feel and believe something different than we do? Are we going to repeat history? My example and the situation involving homosexual people are more alike than most would agree. Don't let yourself be drawn in by misconceptions. You won't know what it is like to be in their shoes, until you experience the same things. Open you eyes and your mind. Who says it's evil? The Bible? The Bible also says "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank IS in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from you own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from you brother's eye. Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." Matthew 7: 1-6

Judgement day will come. We each stand on our own on that day. Untill then, God states that we shall NOT judge one another, or it will come back to us on OUR judgment day. "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." John 8: 7
Please don't lay your judgment on others, not only for their sake, but your own.

Yes The bible says do not judge, but the bible says that homosexuality is wrong also. You cannot take one verse, and not all verses with God word. I have no problem with the PEOPLE themselves, I actually have a problem with the actual doing of these things because I know that the devil is a liar (yes there is a devil read the word) and are deceived into thinking the devils way. Its not about judging, it's about speaking the TRUTH! Yea I do have a problem with a wiccans ACTIONS because they are occultic pratices of the devil (YES THE BIBLE SAYS IT WRONG! READ YOUR REVELATION!) So don't take anything a christian says the wrong way. We state the truth according to the word of God. We also understand that there are people that feel diffently. We respect the people, but not the CHOICES to disobey God. Hey Just my 2 cents. Please no rude responses, I came as a lady and I feel I would be treated as one on this board...


As for the main topic. I personally would not care if a gay person was a part of my sorority. I do admit I would be weary, but if they are good people, it should not be a problem. Just think of all the undercover homosexuals that there could be among you already. Be tolerant of people. It is a command by God you know?

Blessings to all



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In complete darkness we are all the same... It is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us... Don't let your eyes deceive you

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