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Old 11-16-2017, 07:35 PM
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Ohio State University suspends 37 Fraternities

From earlier tonight...

http://nbc4i.com/2017/11/16/ohio-sta...ion-of-hazing/
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:51 PM
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At least they didn't kick out the sororities.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:11 PM
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At least they didn't kick out the sororities.
Exactly my thought! Hooray for one of these universities finally making a distinction between IFC and NPC on this issue. Also, thankfully for identifying social events vs. chapter meetings, elections/officer transition etc. While some may push the envelope and call a kegger a chapter meeting, as was discussed on another thread, this approach gives chapters an opportunity to continue to function reasonably while giving the university time to establish a time out relating to inappropriate behavior. There is a distinction!

This is the most well thought out approach we have seen from the universities rolling out these recent sanctions.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:02 PM
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Exactly my thought! Hooray for one of these universities finally making a distinction between IFC and NPC on this issue.
So none of these sororities, either individual members or as a unit, ever consumed alcohol or drugs illegally at the fraternity houses (or anywhere for that matter) or turned a blind eye to hazing?

When a university by these sorts of actions strengthens a "bad boys/good girls" dichotomy, it just drives a larger wedge between men and women, which these days is certainly large enough.
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Old 11-17-2017, 04:51 PM
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So none of these sororities, either individual members or as a unit, ever consumed alcohol or drugs illegally at the fraternity houses (or anywhere for that matter) or turned a blind eye to hazing?

When a university by these sorts of actions strengthens a "bad boys/good girls" dichotomy, it just drives a larger wedge between men and women, which these days is certainly large enough.
Can the term "codependent enabler" be applied to an organization like a sorority?
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Old 11-17-2017, 05:32 PM
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Can the term "codependent enabler" be applied to an organization like a sorority?
Absolutely. I'll never forget a post I read here or somewhere where a sorority member said that she was so sorry the XYZ fraternity had closed because it was her place of drinking. She wasn't sorry the guys had lost their brotherhood, or that hazing or rule violations had occurred,she was just sorry she no longer had a place to drink. As long as NPC groups keep thinking that this is okay, empowering women is a pipe dream.
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:15 AM
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11 groups were being investigated.

So that justifies the school to shut down the 26 which weren't being investigated? This is some bullshit.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:57 PM
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11 groups were being investigated.

So that justifies the school to shut down the 26 which weren't being investigated? This is some bullshit.
Once again, we both agree, but the mass are the ones who suffer and here we go again!
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Old 11-17-2017, 05:17 PM
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The trouble is that per group, YMMV, which is why these bans are completely ridiculous. There are likely sororities who are more guilty of this risky behavior than some fraternities which were penalized. It's almost like the President's justification for his travel ban--we need to stop the activity so we can figure out what the problem is. We know what the problem is. We know the complexities of solving the problem. Taking a one or two month hiatus doesn't get us any closer to the answer.
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:15 PM
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I'm afraid, y'all. Really afraid. These suspensions are coming fast and furious.

Have there been any announcements from the NPC, NIC, etc.? I'm looking for some type of statement from our leadership, some move to action. We need some acknowledgment that we are here to stay and we won't turn our backs on the members we've lost and how these tragedies happened.
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:49 PM
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From a top of the org standpoint, I support the wait and see approach. First, you don't know whether some other organization will choose to make a stand here. Second, you don't really know how this will play out and perhaps it's best to learn what we can and let the chapters and national organizations have a more thoughtful approach next time. We can also work with our FSL offices and administrations to help them develop more effective approaches here.
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:36 PM
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I am sure that our leadership is communicating amongst themselves. I'm just wondering what's happening and when we'll see some type of response.
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Old 11-18-2017, 04:10 PM
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Per our chapter advisor, we are not one of the 11.
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:45 AM
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Recently did some stat-finding on the topic of deaths due to hazing (reportedly, not all are confirmed to be results of hazing).

84% of individual deaths occurred at public institutions (a vast majority are flagship or land grant institutions) from 2010-2017. (69% of students attended a public institution in 2015). 78% of hazing incidents resulting in death since 1980 occurred at those same institutions.

The rate of deaths due to hazing w/in fraternities or sororities has essentially doubled from the 20th century to the 21st Century, with 22 from 2000-2010 and 19 so far from 2010-2017 (vs. 12-13 in the 1970's, 1980's & 1990's)- but this could be due to increased reporting?

Thoughts:
1. Could you imagine if someone requested a suspension of public colleges/universities due to the higher risk facing students there?

2. Do universities share any burden in addressing their acceptance standards? (after all, they admit the students who commit these acts)

3. Given the increases in alcohol-free policies among fraternities since 2000, the increase in spending on anti-hazing/substance abuse education recently (millions of dollars per year), etc. Isn't it strange that the number of dangerous hazing incidents has increased rather than decreased, and does that mean that these approaches (hazing laws, fraternity banning of substances & education) are ineffective?

4. If that (#3) is true, why are those still our only solutions to this issue?

Just questions to ponder. I obviously don't think public schools would (or should) be banned. I'm definitely in favor of #2.

As for #3 & #4, I think fraternities need to rethink how they insure chapters in bulk & the effect that has on students taking policies created to keep insurance costs down seriously. (vs. if the students/alumni boards had to negotiate those policies themselves)
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:06 PM
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A university is responsible. Capable university presidents feel responsible for everything that happens on or off campus if it involves a university organization, regardless of whether or not the university can be held legally culpable.

Targeting the causes of hazing is difficult - though I suspect 99 percent has something to do with "tradition" and the deaths attributable to hazing seem to be mostly as the result of binge drinking. But from the perspective of a hypothetical university president faced with the problems that have resulted in the issuance of a blanket suspension,he/she is not going to spend a lot of time studying the issue. They have to act pretty fast.

Though I do not necessarily advocate for this approach, I'll throw the following out there for people to comment on. At many universities, there is a noticeable difference between fraternity average GPAs and sorority average GPAs. Though this would not be a popular move, a quick fix would be to raise the GPA requirement to join a fraternity.

This would eliminate the problem or (more politely) the struggling students from the mix. The bad student/fraternity bias is likely prevalent at universities where, for example, the average GPA for sororities may be a 3.2 and for fraternities a 2.3. At these schools, fraternities have an image problem. The faculty sees them as a collection of the school's worst students who contribute very little and place the university's reputation at risk every time they throw a party.

To be effective, there would have to be more of a serious corrective sanction for failing to meet minimum GPA requirements other than just a reduction of certain social activities. For example, there could be (on an individual basis) a minimum GPA to join and a minimum GPA to remain active.

This type of change could be done quickly and easily. It would also likely be popular with the faculty. (Though business people at the national fraternities may not like raising GPA requirements if it reduces overall membership numbers, they should anticipate that this may be the type of simple, sweeping change being looked at on some campuses.) If I were them, I would hope that it stops there.

Here are some other simple, sweeping changes:

Ban all activities involving alcohol where underage students are present.

Require faculty adviser to be present at and report on all social events.

Require mandatory reporting by all students of any activity that can be possibly be considered hazing.

Ban fraternities and sororities from campus.
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