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Old 08-29-2023, 08:22 AM
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Judge dismisses Wyoming KKG lawsuit

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CHEYENNE, Wyo. — A judge has dismissed a lawsuit contesting a transgender woman’s admission into a sorority at the University of Wyoming, ruling that he could not override how the private, voluntary organization defined a woman and order that she not belong.
In the lawsuit, six members of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority chapter challenged Artemis Langford’s admission by casting doubt on whether sorority rules allowed a transgender woman. Wyoming U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson, in his ruling, found that sorority bylaws don’t define who’s a woman.
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Old 08-29-2023, 10:14 AM
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I saw. Luckily, the suit was dismissed without prejudice so they can refile it and actually, this gives them pointers on how to refile.

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Old 08-29-2023, 12:35 PM
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I saw. Luckily, the suit was dismissed without prejudice so they can refile it and actually, this gives them pointers on how to refile.

Nobody should feel unsafe in their own house.
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Old 08-29-2023, 01:34 PM
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Once again we see that the courts are reluctant to interfere or intervene in the affairs of private organizations.

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Old 08-29-2023, 02:35 PM
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A judge has dismissed a lawsuit contesting a transgender woman’s admission into a sorority at the University of Wyoming, ruling that he could not override how the private, voluntary organization defined a woman and order that she not belong.
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Once again we see that the courts are reluctant to interfere or intervene in the affairs of private organizations.
As they should be, right? The government shouldn't have the right to tell me that I can or cannot belong to the Southern California Knitters' Club or whatever. We have the right to free association in our private organizations and that includes GLOs. We want to protect our ability to select our own members. So this knife is going to cut both ways.

I personally think the members' issue is with KKG HQ.
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Old 08-29-2023, 03:28 PM
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As they should be, right? The government shouldn't have the right to tell me that I can or cannot belong to the Southern California Knitters' Club or whatever. We have the right to free association in our private organizations and that includes GLOs. We want to protect our ability to select our own members. So this knife is going to cut both ways.
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I personally think the members' issue is with KKG HQ.
I've been saying this all along.

An unqualified, alleged creeper was forced upon the chapter by the national organization.

If a straight woman who the chapter deemed wasn't acceptable due to grades and behavior was forced upon the chapter by the national org, we'd be looking at the exact same concern.

This issue should have been handled internally from the start.
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I got the impression that the reason it went to a suit was that the national and local KKG execs wouldn't listen to the members who were upset. Always a bad move!

However, not only did this guy have sucky grades but he did some really creepy stuff that made many members uncomfortable and unsafe.
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I got the impression that the reason it went to a suit was that the national and local KKG execs wouldn't listen to the members who were upset. Always a bad move!
Well.....yes.....that absolutely is a bad move.....but that doesn't make it a federal case.

KKG is a private organization. I can understand and sympathize with the members feeling like they are not being heard regarding what they feel is a very uncomfortable situation. However, as hard as it is to swallow, the members need to take their member selection dispute up with their private organization.
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Wow. I got a temporary ban on the Sororities subreddit by simply saying women are losing their spaces, and agreeing with someone who made an innocent comment about not being happy. There was no name calling or derogatory terms used, etc. Now people can't even disagree when it comes to bio males entering a sorority.
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One of the other strange parts is that you don't ever hear about women joining a fraternity. I think we all know how that would end.
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Old 08-29-2023, 10:37 PM
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One of the other strange parts is that you don't ever hear about women joining a fraternity. I think we all know how that would end.
Perhaps a few of our GC readers have good memories and can help me here...didn't a few chapters of Delta Upsilon and/or Psi Upsilon go coed sometime since the late 1960s? I'm thinking more at private schools such as UChicago.

And did those chapters then have their charters pulled by their national organizations? Or perhaps they chose on their own to go local?
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Old 09-01-2023, 12:49 PM
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One of the other strange parts is that you don't ever hear about women joining a fraternity. I think we all know how that would end.
I do not understand this comment. Could you elaborate?
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Artemis Langford is interviewed by MSNBC.


https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09...nal-interview/


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The first transgender member of a Wyoming-based sorority appeared on the national network MSNBC this week to voice relief for a victory in a major lawsuit, and to report some instances of harassment stemming from it.
Artemis Langford, originally of Lander, Wyoming, spoke with MSNBC’s Yasmin Vossoughian in the wake of a federal judge ruling against voiding Langford’s membership in the University of Wyoming-based chapter of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority, and against subjecting the sorority to a civil lawsuit.
U.S. District Court Judge Alan B. Johnson said Aug. 25 that he would not invade the sorority’s right to make and interpret its own rules, including defining the word “woman.”
“Schools continue to be a frontline in these fights for LGBTQ+ rights,” said Vossoughian during the interview, which MSNBC published Sunday. “Artemis Langford, the very brave woman at the center of it all, is joining me now.”
Langford thanked Vossoughian for the opportunity to give an interview.
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Old 08-30-2023, 09:37 AM
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Yes, there are a number of fraternity chapters that have gone coed, largely at elite private schools in the Northeast. Psi Upsilon allows this. So does Kappa Alpha Society and Theta Tau. Other chapters have gotten charters pulled for various reasons but have thrived as co-ed locals (ex. Tabard at Dartmouth).
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navane I have attended conventions and witnessed the closed ranks from TPTB when members voiced their concerns or disagreements with policies. It’s an example of “the sorority within the sorority” that I’m certain other old-timers also know. You are right, holding the threat of membership termination over the heads of those who dissent is particularly ugly. So like many of my Panhellenic sisters I disagree with my checkbook.

I think you understood my comment about the courts not interfering in private organizations. You explained it better and I appreciate that.
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