Baby tests positive for illegal drugs? Arrest the mom.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well there's a perfect world and there's the real world.

This isn't about perfect world versus real world.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Some of these folks aren't too interested in making positive choices.

That goes for all people. But this topic is about more than that.

Originally Posted by Kevin

There was a proposal in Louisiana a number of years ago, or just the beginnings of one which would have paid folks to voluntarily be sterilized. Sounded like a good plan except folks were screaming about it being eugenics.

It is eugenics because they are targeting particular demographics.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It is eugenics because they are targeting particular demographics.

People who can't afford to have children seems like a legitimate demographic to focus on.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

People who can't afford to have children seems like a legitimate demographic to focus on.

Because you believe in eugenics.

The average person in every socioeconomic status is financially and mentally-emotionally under-prepared for parenthood. Either preach to EVERYONE about birth control and parenthood preparation or preach to NO ONE. Do not only target lower socioeconomic statuses which will disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Because you believe in eugenics.

The average person in every socioeconomic status is financially and mentally-emotionally under-prepared for parenthood. Either preach to EVERYONE about birth control and parenthood preparation or preach to NO ONE. Do not only target lower socioeconomic statuses which will disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities.

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority. But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority.

You need to learn what is meant by "disproportionate(ly)". Seriously. Read about it.

Originally Posted by Kevin

But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

Wow. Have you not kept up with the failed attempts of the past 50+ years? Read. Before you rally behind any law and policy. Read. Read. Read. Everything that appears new is old.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Wow. Have you not kept up with the failed attempts of the past 50+ years? Read. Before you rally behind any law and policy. Read. Read. Read.

^^^this. You want to teach people to fish rather than give them a fish? The make sure education works at all levels and ages. You want to prevent people from becoming disabled? Have a healthcare system that works for all socioeconomic groups not just the well to do. You want folks to be working? Don't allow companies to profit off of the community if they do not participate in the community (no drug sales to populace if you don't pay taxes and employ people from the populace.)

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority. But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

You're a sicko. That's all I've got.

[DrPhil]

I hope he was just trolling and really knows all of this stuff. I hope.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

You're a sicko. That's all I've got.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I hope he was just trolling and really knows all of this stuff. I hope.

Yes and probably not, unfortunately.

This psycho who proposed the plan could have at least couched it in "population control to save the planet's resources" and offered the payment to anyone - rich or poor - who decided to get sterilized. Even though it probably would end up with the same result he was gunning for.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yes and probably not, unfortunately.

This psycho who proposed the plan could have at least couched it in "population control to save the planet's resources" and offered the payment to anyone - rich or poor - who decided to get sterilized. Even though it probably would end up with the same result he was gunning for.

I agree.

If people choose to be sterilized it should be a conscious and well-informed decision not based on economic (and racial and ethnic) disadvantage. Don't target poor people with an overrepresentation of racial and ethnic minorities, frighten them, misinform them, and entice them with "free". This song has been sung plenty of times in the USA and around the world for generations.

I really want Kevin, some politicians, some community leaders, and some policy makers to research and read. Actually research and read some news articles, books, and peer-reviewed journal articles from 1900-2014.

[33girl]

And the other thing that kills me is...I have friends (middle class and white) who have asked for hysterectomies or tubal ligations and had doctors refuse because "you're too young to know what you want" and "you may want babies someday. You are a woman, of course!" But that's a different thread and a different struggle, I suppose.

[DrPhil]

It's extremely connected to this thread and this struggle.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

^^^this. You want to teach people to fish rather than give them a fish? The make sure education works at all levels and ages. You want to prevent people from becoming disabled? Have a healthcare system that works for all socioeconomic groups not just the well to do. You want folks to be working? Don't allow companies to profit off of the community if they do not participate in the community (no drug sales to populace if you don't pay taxes and employ people from the populace.)

I'm resigned to the fact that even if we spent trillions of dollars on public education and welfare and trying to teach people to fish, they're not going to do it. There are people who refuse to make positive life choices no matter what their opportunities are. It would be wise to entice them to make a voluntary choice to sterilize themselves.

In the past, these sorts of agendas just weren't ambitious enough and were blatantly targeted towards racial minorities. I would say make sterilization and payment available to anyone who wants it. Are meth heads looking for cash for their next fix going to disproportionately take this pay day? I hope so!

What are your solutions to these problems? Bitching endlessly about privilege?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It would be wise to entice them to make a voluntary choice to sterilize themselves.

Only based on your definition of "wise".

Originally Posted by Kevin

In the past, these sorts of agendas just weren't ambitious enough and were blatantly targeted towards racial minorities.

I encourage you to research the "ambition" of past agendas. Targeting the poor and targeting drug addicts is eugenics. The racial component is an added detriment of eugenics. It isn't THE detriment of eugenics.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Are meth heads looking for cash for their next fix going to disproportionately take this pay day? I hope so!

And Adolf Hitler's eugenics and racial cleansing were simply about pride and intellectual-educational-economic success. The world is all the better because of Hitler. Folks are just too ungrateful and shortsighted to see.

(Does Kevin now know the definition of "disproportionately"?)

[PiKA2001]

Oh hi, how've y'all been?

I'm pro population control but I think it should be done via taxation similar to how it's done in China. The first kid is free and for each additional child you pay a higher tax burden, essentially the complete opposite of what we have in place now.