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Old 08-05-2020, 07:46 PM
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Youth rebels because it must. I see young people quitting their greek orgs and then raising a stink to get attention for themselves, instead of working with their fellow brothers and sisters to improve the situations they perceive as "wrong" and "hurtful".

Be that friend upon whom your brother and sister greeks can rely. Live your rituals. Help your fellow greeks grow through mutual education and actions.

All people can learn, and their teachers don't need to quit on them to make their points.
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Youth rebels because it must. I see young people quitting their greek orgs and then raising a stink to get attention for themselves, instead of working with their fellow brothers and sisters to improve the situations they perceive as "wrong" and "hurtful".

Be that friend upon whom your brother and sister greeks can rely. Live your rituals. Help your fellow greeks grow through mutual education and actions.

All people can learn, and their teachers don't need to quit on them to make their points.
I'm sad to see that some are not using this opportunity to bring about change in their groups but are simply abandoning their groups.




An opinion piece from a gay Alpha Tau Omega member at Duke University who shares his experience in being welcomed and accepted by his fraternity brothers but not by the gay community at the university.


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I am not saying the Greek system is without its faults. Anyone can see it has many, but we are actively working towards righting those wrongs. The current movement to abolish the Greek life system at Duke fails to consider people like me: people who are welcomed into a community with open arms and embraced for who we are, including our differences. I have found my home at Duke when other communities denied my identity. What I am asking is to consider and not discredit the positive experiences minorities have found within the Greek system, or other areas of campus traditionally thought of as homophobic, racist, etc. I speak only on my experiences, but I also know I am not the only one. Quieting voices like mine perpetuates these intolerances by pigeonholing minorities into the stereotypes accepted by society. I am gay and I am damn proud of it, regardless of how many times I will be told I am not because I do not conform. And if my community, my safe space, where I feel I like I finally belong, is with my brothers, is that so wrong?

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Old 08-05-2020, 10:15 PM
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Youth rebels because it must. I see young people quitting their greek orgs and then raising a stink to get attention for themselves, instead of working with their fellow brothers and sisters to improve the situations they perceive as "wrong" and "hurtful".

Be that friend upon whom your brother and sister greeks can rely. Live your rituals. Help your fellow greeks grow through mutual education and actions.

All people can learn, and their teachers don't need to quit on them to make their points.
Many of those bailing are doing so because the leaders of their orgs are either not listening or not letting the collegiates know they are being heard. Why pay thousands of dollars to be ignored or silenced?

Bottom line is my sister pledged and then dropped in ‘83 because she saw racism, my university had 1 black IFC member at that time, and when one of my chapter sisters dated his roommate (also black) it was a scandal. It’s almost FORTY YEARS later and we’re still having this conversation. That right there says things haven’t progressed as they should have.
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SCANDAL?! We had plenty of women in my NPC chapter date black men. That's ridiculous that it would be scandalous TODAY!
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Many of those bailing are doing so because the leaders of their orgs are either not listening or not letting the collegiates know they are being heard. Why pay thousands of dollars to be ignored or silenced?

Bottom line is my sister pledged and then dropped in ‘83 because she saw racism, my university had 1 black IFC member at that time, and when one of my chapter sisters dated his roommate (also black) it was a scandal. It’s almost FORTY YEARS later and we’re still having this conversation. That right there says things haven’t progressed as they should have.

I'm sorry that was your sister's experience during her college years, but I can attest that 40 years ago that wasn't the situation at my SoCal university. Yes the majority of the members were white however there were African American, Hispanic, Asian and biracial members in our NPC sororities and IFC fraternities. So interracial dating was not unheard of then.
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SCANDAL?! We had plenty of women in my NPC chapter date black men. That's ridiculous that it would be scandalous TODAY!
Interracial dating is no longer scandalous, I meant we’re still having the inclusion issues/conversations 40 yrs later.
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I'm sorry that was your sister's experience during her college years, but I can attest that 40 years ago that wasn't the situation at my SoCal university. Yes the majority of the members were white however there were African American, Hispanic, Asian and biracial members in our NPC sororities and IFC fraternities. So interracial dating was not unheard of then.
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Old 08-07-2020, 11:21 PM
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SCANDAL?! We had plenty of women in my NPC chapter date black men. That's ridiculous that it would be scandalous TODAY!
Interracial dating is no longer scandalous, I meant we’re still having the inclusion issues/conversations 40 yrs later.
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Old 08-08-2020, 05:27 PM
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Interracial dating is no longer scandalous, I meant we’re still having the inclusion issues/conversations 40 yrs later.
And people are still fighting wars somewhere in the world because humans can and do fail even after thousands of years of destruction.

If todays college students haven't been taught 'inclusion' before their introduction to campus, there are opportunities for them to learn both in college and beyond about the subject. Whether said students eventually choose to follow an inclusive path is entirely up to them, because the USA has no Indoctrination Camps to make being an Inclusive Person mandatory.
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