10 Things You Must Believe to Oppose Universal Health Care

[DaemonSeid]

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In order to oppose Universal Health Care (UHC) and support Corporate Profit Based Health Care (CPBHC), you have to believe the following statements to be true:

1. With my private insurer, I can select any doctor I want and there is no one between my doctor and me when it comes to decisions My doctor does not have to consult with my insurance provider to see what medications or procedures are allowed. I can get whatever my doctor and I want, whenever I want it and where ever I want it. It is only with UHC that someone is in between me and my doctor. It is only with UHC that I am limited to my selection of doctors.

2. The poor citizens of Appalachia who stood in the rain for hours to receive limited health care from compassionate doctors and nurses who examined them in animal stalls because there were no suitable medical locations nearby, were receiving "The Best Health Care in The World".

3. The family that goes into bankruptcy because one of their members is gravely ill and their insurer denies payment because of a technically in the fine print, are also getting the "Best Health Care in the World".

4. Hospitals spend millions of dollars a year advertising their services to us because they want us to know where to go when we get sick. These millions of dollars are not added to the cost of our hospital visit. We ought to do the same with our police and fire departments.

5. Drug companies also spend billions of dollars a year in marketing (more than they do in research) because they want us to remember what medication we should take when we are ill and these billions of dollars are not figured into the cost of the medication.

6. The citizens of Germany, France, Canada, Belgium, The UK, Norway, Portugal, Iceland, Spain, Italy, Austria, and others with UHC have awful medical care but they are not allowed to protest it and their systems of democracy forbid these people from electing representatives in government to overturn UHC and switch to CPBHC.

7. The medical and insurance corporations in the USA are spending a million dollars a day to lobby against UHC because they really care about our health and they know their system is better for us. It has nothing to do with protecting their massive corporate profits.

8. Medical and insurance corporations care about their customers first and their investors second. Every medical and insurance corporation in America puts a patient's health ahead of the interests of the shareholders. All of them. They are saints. Money means nothing to them.

9. We need to end Medicare and Medicaid and VA hospitals immediately.

10.All of the studies from all of the research of all of the nations with UHC that prove that they spend less and live longer, are lies. All of them. It's a conspiracy.

[DrPhil]

This would be a more attractive read if it was bullet points or numbered.

[DaemonSeid]

Done...re-read.

[Elephant Walk]

Wow. That's actually not true. I don't believe in any of those things, yet wildly oppose fascism as done in the Universal Health Care bill.

Sort of a silly article. Do you actually believe this stuff?

[knight_shadow]

Madmax is the new edgy.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by pantsondaground

Do you even know your father?

You put me in my place.

Egads.

[Alumiyum]

Hehehe

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by pantsondaground

The blacks in Europe take care of their kids while MOST of the Black people in the US abandon their kids. Over 70% of the black children in the US are illegitimate.



ObamaCare does not solve any of those problems. At the end of the day the black people will still be living in ghettos. The honest hard working whites will still be living in nice neighborhoods.

Ok I'll bite. Where does the 70% of black children being illegitimate come from. More to the point, WTF does legitimacy have to do with wither parents take care of their kids or not?


And what about the lazy white people or hard working black people?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by pantsondaground

Do you know your father?

I am not trying to put you in your place. I think you already know it.
I am just curious. I know DaemonSeid does not have a father.
His father is probably in jail

I'll let you know when I get the results back from Maury.

Are you my daddy?

[DrPhil]

Ummm...again...are you all seriously trying to have a convo with madmax?

Use him for the entertainment that he's worth or ignore him altogether. Typing to him in all seriousness became dumb months ago.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Sort of a silly article.

Sort of silly? This stuff adds nothing to rational and reasonable discourse. It's stupid.

I don't believe in any of those things, yet wildly oppose fascism as done in the Universal Health Care bill.

Fascism? Seriously? The more things change the more they stay the same -- decry anything one disagrees with as fascism. Or socialism, take your pick (though you probably can't pick both).

Was it fascism when Republican lawmakers proposed much of the same stuff in the 1990s?

This kind of over-the-top nonsense also adds nothing to rational discourse -- it's the mirror image of the drivel that DS posted. To equate the health care bill to fascism is just plain ludicrous.

[AGDee]

I find articles like the one posted add to the schism rather than try to bridge it. This article, however, spells things out pretty well, pros and cons both:

http://www.freep.com/article/2010032...s-coming-in-10

Here is an excerpt:
Here is a look at some key provisions that are to come from one of the biggest changes in health insurance in America in 45 years.
HARD-TO-INSURE

By July, consumers rejected by insurance plans because of costly, preexisting medical problems should be able to purchase insurance through high-risk pools, which are to continue until 2014, when a new marketplace, or insurance exchanges, is to begin to operate. By the end of June, the government is to establish a temporary high-risk pool program. The caps this year on out-of-pocket costs for enrollees are $5,950 for individuals and $11,900 for families.

Starting this year, insurers won't be able to drop coverage for a person who develops a health problem, and no longer will be able to set yearly or lifetime limits on coverage.

By 2014, insurers won't be able to deny coverage to anyone who has had a preexisting health problem. By law, they also can't charge people more because of their gender, race or health problems.

BUT -- insurers can charge people ages 50 to 65 as much as three times more than people ages 21 to 34, whose coverage doesn't cost as much. Monthly premiums also may be higher based on where a person lives, the size of the family and whether those covered by the policy are smokers. In Michigan, people in tri-county Detroit, for example, typically have paid more than people in the western parts of the state, such as Grand Rapids, where health care costs are lower.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Fascism? Seriously? The more things change the more they stay the same -- decry anything one disagrees with as fascism. Or socialism, take your pick (though you probably can't pick both).

A rather simple definition of fascism would be the marriage between corporations and the state. To force individuals to purchase a certain thing from a certain industry is the epitome of this marriage. I don't decry anything as something...unless it is. And it is. It fits the simple definition. Granted it doesn't show as much totalitarianism as Mussolini's fascism, of course. But it's fascist.

Was it fascism when Republican lawmakers proposed much of the same stuff in the 1990s?

Absolutely.

The Republicans are just as guilty of this stuff.

[AlphaFrog]

I flat-out have a problem with anyone telling me that "to believe X, you must believe Y". No, I don't. Kind of like my history teacher telling me that it's impossible to be against abortion, but for the death penalty - no it's not, because that's what I believe in.

Not to mention that most of those points are silly, extreme examples of ridiculous propaganda. Just because we know the drug companies are screwing us on prices, doesn't mean we want to throw a bureaucrat into that mix.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I flat-out have a problem with anyone telling me that "to believe X, you must believe Y". No, I don't. Kind of like my history teacher telling me that it's impossible to be against abortion, but for the death penalty - no it's not, because that's what I believe in.

Not to mention that most of those points are silly, extreme examples of ridiculous propaganda. Just because we know the drug companies are screwing us on prices, doesn't mean we want to throw a bureaucrat into that mix.

Exactly.

And the scary part of this silliness is, someone out there in the world read this like they were reading the 10 commandments.