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Old 02-03-2021, 02:05 PM
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I wonder how many of these “disbanders” (or DBs if you will) have reached out to their friends who are members of these groups they are advocating for and offered them membership? Or who actually HAVE friends who are members of these groups? After all the negative publicity APhi got, I would think that “we offered my black friend a bid and nationals denied it” would be an easy way to get their way with their HQ.
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...Like a bunch of spoiled children.
Veruca Salt isn't just a 90s alt rock band or a character from a book and a movie.

And don't forget to look toward whom they had, for the past four years, as a 'stellar example' of leadership of a country.
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I assume this is because of groups pledging non-binary members.

I hate to break it to them, but I’ve gotten through 35 years being called a brother of Alpha Phi Omega and I haven’t suffered any long term issues from it.
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Old 02-04-2021, 06:26 AM
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I assume this is because of groups pledging non-binary members.

I hate to break it to them, but I’ve gotten through 35 years being called a brother of Alpha Phi Omega and I haven’t suffered any long term issues from it.
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I'm curious about where the AGL movement seems to have a significant amount of traction. So far, it seems to be Northwestern, University of Richmond, University of Washington at St. Louis, American University...which others? These are all pricy private institutions, and perhaps there are a higher than average number of "stereotypical, well-off" students in GLOs...and also more intellectually-focused students focused on being change agents?

We aren't seeing AGL activity/discussion where I teach (large state school). I'm just wondering if the chapter closings associated with this movement are going to be "self-contained." What are the other campuses where closures due to AGL seem imminent or appear to be a serious concern?
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I'm curious where the AGL movement seems to have a significant amount of traction. So far, it seems to be Northwestern, University of Richmond, University of Washington at St. Louis, American University...which others? These are all pricy private institutions, and perhaps there are a higher than average number of "stereotypical, well-off" students in GLOs...and also more intellectually-focused students focused on being change agents?

We aren't seeing AGL activity/discussion where I teach (large state school). I'm just wondering if the chapter closings associated with this movement are going to be "self-contained." What are the other campuses where closures due to AGL seem imminent or appear to be a serious concern?
You hit it on the head. The weird thing is I haven't seen much of it on Ivy League campuses, or even more liberal schools like NYU and UC Berkeley, but the orgs there seem to be taking action at a local level and doing change that way. That's what it should be, not just stepping down en masse.
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Has anyone reached out to their former sisters or brothers to try to gain understanding from them directly?
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You hit it on the head. The weird thing is I haven't seen much of it on Ivy League campuses, or even more liberal schools like NYU and UC Berkeley, but the orgs there seem to be taking action at a local level and doing change that way. That's what it should be, not just stepping down en masse.
Doing it en masse brings more attention to those who seek it and is a much sexier story for the media. It makes it appear that important things are happening.
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Has anyone reached out to their former sisters or brothers to try to gain understanding from them directly?
I know we did with our Northwestern chapter. There was a sincere effort made to dialogue and work together for change. The concerns weren't chapter-specific.
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Old 02-04-2021, 08:34 PM
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I assume this is because of groups pledging non-binary members.

I hate to break it to them, but I’ve gotten through 35 years being called a brother of Alpha Phi Omega and I haven’t suffered any long term issues from it.
Even within Alpha Phi Omega it gets *complicated*.

For starters, APO Philippines uses Brothers for all male members and sisters for all female members, and a campus will actually have a fraternity chapter and a sorority chapter (or conceivably only one, in which case only members of only that gender can join at that school) (The history there is that all of the Little Sister groups were unified as Alpha Phi Sigma nationally, then as Alpha Phi Omega Auxiliary Sorority and *then* true equality.

In APO-USA, the general reason for the global use of the term brother is that the women that were joining chapters underground for equality wanted to be called brother since the "sisters" that other chapters had were little sisters and thus treated unequally. However I have run into a few chapters (Georgetown University in Washington DC springs to mind) where a good number of the women have at various times wanted to use the term sister, however the term sister has no official meaning in APO-USA.

For non-binary members, given the general usage of brothers in APO-USA, I don't expect a problem there with the terms brothers. (I have *no* idea what APO-Philippines would do)
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You hit it on the head. The weird thing is I haven't seen much of it on Ivy League campuses, or even more liberal schools like NYU and UC Berkeley, but the orgs there seem to be taking action at a local level and doing change that way. That's what it should be, not just stepping down en masse.
It happened in our chapter in Yale, they disbanded by wanting to go co-ed.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/...nals-go-co-ed/
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Veruca Salt isn't just a 90s alt rock band or a character from a book and a movie.

And don't forget to look toward whom they had, for the past four years, as a 'stellar example' of leadership of a country.

Not to mention the parents who raised them for 18.
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You hit it on the head. The weird thing is I haven't seen much of it on Ivy League campuses, or even more liberal schools like NYU and UC Berkeley, but the orgs there seem to be taking action at a local level and doing change that way. That's what it should be, not just stepping down en masse.
If after everything the sororities at Harvard and Yale have gone through to simply exist, it would be ironic AF if they were to bail now.
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You hit it on the head. The weird thing is I haven't seen much of it on Ivy League campuses, or even more liberal schools like NYU and UC Berkeley, but the orgs there seem to be taking action at a local level and doing change that way. That's what it should be, not just stepping down en masse.
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