the deal with the canes... - Page 8

PerroLoco · #**106** 10-24-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Phinesse
First of all, we haven't stolen anything from anyone. I'm not making a claim that kappas stole the cane from us, nor the omegas and the "dogmatic image." The fact of the matter is we did it FIRST! PERIOD. NO, they don't have the same meanings within our respective organizations, but canes and the dogmatic image are both parts of our "Rites of Passage" and were there from the very beginning. Being of great historical and symbolic importance to us. The founder that the kappas honor by carrying the cane(if that's accurate), if I'm not mistaken, didn't die in 1911, did he? And the explanation that the omegas have for the dogmatic image (tenacity, aggression) wasn't written until 50 or 60 years after they were founded. We can agree to disagree but, the statement that my fraternity stole traditions is ignorant, & can't factually be supported. That is all.

Dude, this some ole bull-ish that you are perpertrating. Just like Mandela is not a Sigma and neither is Morris Chestnut, but yet y'all continue to lie and lie and lie as if it will somehow become truth. You were not the first with the DOG dammitt!!!! Nor were those "firsts" that you post on so many sights on the web, truly "firsts". Many of those "firsts" are debatable and some are flat out wrong. Orgs with self-esteem issues, COPY, BITE, STEAL, and LIE to get their self worth. No other org has any debates about WHAT AND WHO IT IS. OMEGA KNOWS WHO SHE IS AND WHERE SHE CAME FROM.

Phinesse · #**107** 10-28-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by PerroLoco
Dude, this some ole bull-ish that you are perpertrating. Just like Mandela is not a Sigma and neither is Morris Chestnut, but yet y'all continue to lie and lie and lie as if it will somehow become truth. You were not the first with the DOG dammitt!!!! Nor were those "firsts" that you post on so many sights on the web, truly "firsts". Many of those "firsts" are debatable and some are flat out wrong. Orgs with self-esteem issues, COPY, BITE, STEAL, and LIE to get their self worth. No other org has any debates about WHAT AND WHO IT IS. OMEGA KNOWS WHO SHE IS AND WHERE SHE CAME FROM.

WOW!!! Those are some very strong words for someone who wasn't a student in the early 1900's. If you've ever been a student or, if you possess the smallest pockets of intelligence, you should know by now not to take anything at face value. Mandela's not a Sigma? Really? We didn't use the cane first, nor the dogmatic image? Damn!!!! We're a bunch of fuckin' liars!! I'm calling Nationals! But wait....... While I'm at it, I better let Howard University know that their archives contain false information that was recorded in the early 1900's. By the way, have you seen Howard's Archives? Oh, I should also go to New York and let the Schaumberg Library know that they possess inacurate accounts of everyone's history! History that they've had for every organization since the early 1900's that includes everyone's ritual, protocal manuals, pictures, & symbolism. You know, READING IS FUNDAMENTAL!!! Maybe you should try actually doing some research on these topics then, you may really become an expert on what is factual. If you go to the Schaumberg Library, They have original accounts of everyone's history, and Memoirs from at least one of everyone's founders. I hope this will help you on your coarse for some authentic information.

Senusret I · #**108** 10-29-2005, 05:41 AM

Public service announcement:

Dogmatic and canine are not the same thing.

PerroLoco · #**109** 11-17-2005, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
Public service announcement:

Dogmatic and canine are not the same thing.

Break it down for me.

PerroLoco · #**110** 11-17-2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by Phinesse
WOW!!! Those are some very strong words for someone who wasn't a student in the early 1900's. If you've ever been a student or, if you possess the smallest pockets of intelligence, you should know by now not to take anything at face value. Mandela's not a Sigma? Really? We didn't use the cane first, nor the dogmatic image? Damn!!!! We're a bunch of fuckin' liars!! I'm calling Nationals! But wait....... While I'm at it, I better let Howard University know that their archives contain false information that was recorded in the early 1900's. By the way, have you seen Howard's Archives? Oh, I should also go to New York and let the Schaumberg Library know that they possess inacurate accounts of everyone's history! History that they've had for every organization since the early 1900's that includes everyone's ritual, protocal manuals, pictures, & symbolism. You know, READING IS FUNDAMENTAL!!! Maybe you should try actually doing some research on these topics then, you may really become an expert on what is factual. If you go to the Schaumberg Library, They have original accounts of everyone's history, and Memoirs from at least one of everyone's founders. I hope this will help you on your coarse for some authentic information.

Dude, whoever you are, living life and knowing real people mean more to me. Omegas carried canes while on line at one time, but we do not claim that as our heritage or tradition. It belongs to the Nupes, because they kept it and made it an integral part of their CONTINUOUS persona.

At one time all freshman at Howard were called "dogs" til they achieve upperclassmen status. The Omegas and the Sigmas continued that designation with their pledges during Hell Week, but it was Omega who incorporated the DOG as an integral poart of who they are and what they stand for. For the Sigmas that I have known personally from roomates to co-workers of every era, neuther the DOG, nor the CANE was that Significant to their SENSE OF SELF AS A SIGMA.

So all of the PBS claiming these things as part of their history may be true but it was never a huge or defining part from what Sigmas made in the 50's, 60's, 70's and '80's tell me or what I experienced with my dorm-mate. I saw my dorm-mate as a Dog during his Hell Week, but that is where any canine reference ended or association with PBS. His Hell Week was completely different from mine as a Dog of Omega. Night and Day.

If Mandela is a Sigma, it definitely was an Honorariam granted in absentia like a lot of your "famous" members.

Why can't Sigmas be happy with who they are? Some of y'all saw an old Crescent magazine and saw a member with a cane so 50 years later its your steelo and not the Kappas. You went to the library and dusted off an old book and a half-century later, PBS is the Dogmatic Frat?. Greek please!!!

Why is it that none of the 4 other male greek orgs bite off each other? Just PBS. Like the Iotas say, Build a Tradition, Stop stealing one.

Senusret I · #**111** 11-17-2005, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by PerroLoco
Break it down for me.

Canine is the word that means of or relating to dogs.

Dogmatic has nothing to do with dogs. It basically means when someone holds tight to an opinion. (Like religious dogma.)

Not trying to be a smart ass, it's just one of my top five pet peeves about Greek life, including the misuse of words "discrete" and "discreet."

Atlas · #**112** 11-20-2005, 01:59 PM

Good Lawd... this topic still going?

KappaLeagr · #**113** 12-01-2006, 06:48 PM

Well i'm in kappa league and we have canes ,soooo......

PrettyBoy · #**114** 12-02-2006, 02:36 AM

I read most of the post on this thread, and the bottom line is Kappa Alpha Psi is known for the kanes, it doesn't matter who started it, or who is using it now, we are the fraternity that everyone thinks about when the kane is mentioned in a stepshow. I also read what another member of our fraternity mentioned about the kane having meaning to us. This is true. We don't just use kanes just because. We use them because of what the kane means to our fraternity. I'm not concerned with the other organizations using them because I know the kane is ours. There's a difference between a kane and a cane. Nupes use Kanes.

lusherhotboy · #**115** 12-04-2006, 11:24 PM

Alot of things are borrowed from other orgs back in the day and everyone doesnt use the same things they started with. Its funny that we allow superficial things to separate our true brotherhood and sisterhood in Christ. We could make a huge impact on our campuses and communities as black students if we worked together more rather than take diferrences to the level of hatred. If you begin to despise a person or organization on the basis of their appearance, then there is a problem. How bout we argue about gpa's or community service or somethin.

KAPPAtivating · #**116** 12-05-2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lusherhotboy

Alot of things are borrowed from other orgs back in the day and everyone doesnt use the same things they started with. Its funny that we allow superficial things to separate our true brotherhood and sisterhood in Christ. We could make a huge impact on our campuses and communities as black students if we worked together more rather than take diferrences to the level of hatred. If you begin to despise a person or organization on the basis of their appearance, then there is a problem. How bout we argue about gpa's or community service or somethin.

One phrase speaks volumes: "Achievement in EVERY field of human endeavor."

PrettyBoy · #**117** 12-05-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KAPPAtivating

One phrase speaks volumes: "Achievement in EVERY field of human endeavor."

Good response!

marquise1911 · #**118** 12-08-2006, 12:33 PM

Umm. I hate for this to be my come back post, but WTF??? Sigmas were not the first with the canes, not the first to step with them, not the first to use them. Go ahead, check Howard's history. Our first colored canes appeared in 1953, but our founders and members have been carying them since the early history of our fraternity. Sigmas didn't even start using canse until the late 60's. I dare you to find anything with PBS and canes older than that.

Now as far as being Dogmatic or using the dog. WE ALL DID!!! At one point in time all pledges were called dogs and that's why some Omegas get offended when u call them Q-dogs. To be a dog means ur still pledging. The Ques took that image and ran with it. We let it go. They can have it. so stop crying about it.

If you don't know now ya know. Better yet, if you don't know bout me just ask around. Marquise is known in these parts.

Wsup Guys!!! Been a while. They blocked Greekchat.com, so I gotta get in when I can!

KAPPAtivating · #**119** 12-08-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by marquise1911

Umm. I hate for this to be my come back post, but WTF??? Sigmas were not the first with the canes, not the first to step with them, not the first to use them. Go ahead, check Howard's history. Our first colored canes appeared in 1953, but our founders and members have been carying them since the early history of our fraternity. Sigmas didn't even start using canse until the late 60's. I dare you to find anything with PBS and canes older than that.

Now as far as being Dogmatic or using the dog. WE ALL DID!!! At one point in time all pledges were called dogs and that's why some Omegas get offended when u call them Q-dogs. To be a dog means ur still pledging. The Ques took that image and ran with it. We let it go. They can have it. so stop crying about it.

If you don't know now ya know. Better yet, if you don't know bout me just ask around. Marquise is known in these parts.

Wsup Guys!!! Been a while. They blocked Greekchat.com, so I gotta get in when I can!

Where ya been Bruh? Kappa Korner has gotten slow these days. Kinda feels like watching everybody move out the old neighborhood.

DSTCHAOS · #**120** 12-08-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by marquise1911

Now as far as being Dogmatic or using the dog.

LOL. Senruset, I wonder why folks started using "dogmatic" like this. Was there a song lyric that confused people, or something? Who can I blame...George Clinton? Snoop Dog?

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Originally Posted by marquise1911

If you don't know now ya know. Better yet, if you don't know bout me just ask around. Marquise is known in these parts.

Eh...there is accuracy in your statements but that's based on researching history through documentation and old school member accounts. Not because "the great marquise1911 said."

ETA: The colored canes (and stepping and strolling with canes) debate is different than the "who carried canes debate." Many men carried canes in the earlier 1900s because it was a sign of being a gentleman and so forth. It was initially not fraternity related but transfered over. This is why you will see different fraternities with canes in their pledge line photos or just walking across the yard. So whether carrying canes began with fraternity-specific meaning or just evolved into a fraternity-specific meaning is something that is almost impossible to prove 100% considering what was happening in the general population.