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Old 09-07-2017, 04:50 PM
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If you're going to war, best to pick a battleground you can win on. Private universities can absolutely forbid students from belonging to Greek organizations, political parties or drum circles. They can completely regulate student behavior because the students' association with that university is optional and voluntary.

This Penn State situation might present a better opportunity for FSL organizations to establish some legal precedent as to what public schools can and can't get away with. Case law surrounding free association isn't as deep as you'd want it to be before initiating litigation though. I can think of arguments in favor the school which aren't horrible arguments..
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:12 PM
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As I said in a previous post, Penn State is going to feel really silly when the numbers of non-Greek local social orgs go through the roof and a few more are created - and freshmen join them right away.
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:49 PM
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Penn State has a few levers by which they might exert control. They might collaborate with municipal government to zone Greek housing out of existence, i.e., require orgs to be in good standing with the University to be able to operate the sort of facilities FSL houses operate as. They might even try to limit students' ability to join organizations by penalizing them for doing so. There are arguments which can be made, i.e., that the school is regulating the Greek Community because it has a duty to promote the health, safety and welfare of its students and that there is real data showing that alcohol abuse, sexual assault, etc., go along with FSL organizations.

No one has had that fight in court of which I am aware, and that's because neither side is sure of the outcome.
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That's what I said - if they place all these restrictions on fraternities and sororities non-Greek "social groups" (recognized and underground) will spring up like weeds.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:37 PM
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That's what I said - if they place all these restrictions on fraternities and sororities non-Greek "social groups" (recognized and underground) will spring up like weeds.
And those that already exist will see a surge in interest. From my understanding, the Business Fraternities at Penn State are enjoying a historically high number of candidates for membership this semester since freshmen have this option but don't have IFC/Panhel options.

The behaviors that the PSU administration is trying to suppress with their sanctions will not disappear. They have just moved to a new venue.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:51 PM
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It'll be interesting to see how business honors fraternities will handle hazing and drug use investigations. I'm sure they have lots of experience with that. They should be fine.
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Ran across this article about Harvard's move to implement its new final clubs policy. Typically Harvard:

https://harvardmagazine.com/2017/11/...nal-clubs-vote
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^ What 33girl said. So you'll end up with a bunch of "social groups" that are not only not regulated by the university (aside from the university saying "If we find out you're a member we're going to (e.g.) expel you"), but also not regulated by any national office. Oh, yes, I'm sure that'll work out reeeeeeally well. </sarcasm>

On a different note, I noticed from that article that Harvard's chapter of AEPi has done the same thing. I wonder if they've managed to attract Jewish female new members as a result? I'm not finding any information on how their fall recruitment went. To the best of my knowledge, there are no historically Jewish sororities at Harvard - AEPhi has never had a chapter there.
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As I said in a previous post, Penn State is going to feel really silly when the numbers of non-Greek local social orgs go through the roof and a few more are created - and freshmen join them right away.
Like Trilogy, the renegade ex-Tri Delta chapter.
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It'll be interesting to see how business honors fraternities will handle hazing and drug use investigations. I'm sure they have lots of experience with that. They should be fine.
Two questions:
1) Where do we get that the Business Honoraries would get included in this?
2) I'm curious as to the most significant hazing charge leveled against such a group?
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Two questions:
1) Where do we get that the Business Honoraries would get included in this?
2) I'm curious as to the most significant hazing charge leveled against such a group?
It happens...
https://akpsi.org/virginia-tech-chap...ed-for-hazing/
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