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Old 02-03-2012, 03:35 PM
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I saw this for the first time yesterday and I am hooked. Inlove how the moms are. Abby doesn't bother me because she is just doing her job, but those mothers are a trip.
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Old 02-05-2012, 05:00 PM
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Just saw Abby Lee in the audience on Toddlers & Tiaras, episode "Crown Beauties". I got a lil too excited lol
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:48 PM
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I feel the worst for little Vivi-anne (and not because her mother decided to spell her name that way). There was one interview in the first season where she admitted that she does not like to dance and does it to make her mother happy. It rather have a Kelly that allows her daughter to drop out of dance half way through a season, than a Kathy who strong arms her daughter into something that she obviously doesn't like doing to live vicariously through her.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:16 PM
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As over the top as Abby is, I find myself starting to like her upfront attitude towards these crazy moms. That being said, I did NOT like how she booted Peyton from the team for Brooke. That should have been done in private with her mom and not in front of the squad and the other moms.

The mom that really irritates me is the freaky ultra blond one (Christy?). She has this bitchy high school mean girl mentality. Kudos to Jill for standing up to her.
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:44 PM
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As over the top as Abby is, I find myself starting to like her upfront attitude towards these crazy moms. That being said, I did NOT like how she booted Peyton from the team for Brooke. That should have been done in private with her mom and not in front of the squad and the other moms.

The mom that really irritates me is the freaky ultra blond one (Christy?). She has this bitchy high school mean girl mentality. Kudos to Jill for standing up to her.
Regarding Peyton, I agree. You just don't do that to anyone, especially a 14 year old...its already an emotional age, why make it worse? I know her mother is crazy, but I actually agreed with her when she yelled at Abby that she has the right to be upset. I also felt bad for the rest of the squad, since they realized what had happened after they rushed over to hug Brooke, and then ran back to Peyton. It had to be rough for them to watch.

Christy may be a mean girl, but I think Jill is certifiable. Massages? Really? And putting Abby's lipstick on? She comes across as ultra pushy and unfeeling towards anyone who isn't her kid, and I feel bad for Kendall (who I think is adorable...but I love all the girls), because she has the stigma of such a crazy mother. It was bad enough when she tried to bully Gianna into giving her daughter a bigger part, especially since it seems to be her and not Kendall gunning for the solos. I think she is seriously unhinged. I mean, she said at one point that watching Kendall dance is her hobby. For the love of blueberries, lady, go play tennis or drink your lunch and leave it be.
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:15 AM
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I do love this show, the "moms" crack me up at how over the top they can be. Having a daughter that is a dancer though, I have to tell you I have never seen moms act like this back stage. I have overhead some waiting room talk but nothing like these ladies.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:11 AM
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Why on earth would Peyton and her mom try out for Cathy's Candy Apples dance team only to turn them down after being offered the position? That mom is nuts.

Jill is batshit insane. Kendall is a good dancer but she has yet to prove she should be on top of the pyramid. When she outdances & beats Maddie, Chloe, Nia, Brooke and Paige, then she can be on top. She's yet to beat any of them so fittingly, she's not on top. Then she throws a fit over a stupid costume? She needs to get her head out of her ass and get over herself. Poor Kendall. She seems like a sweet kid but her mom is a drama queen.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:14 PM
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I watched an episode last night, but I'm not sure how recent it is because it had been TiVo'd. Abby had seven girls learn solos for some supposedly huge competition in New Jersey but found out a few days beforehand that it was cancelled. Wanting the girls to not have their solos wasted, she found a competition on the same day in Texas (not a peep out of the moms about the expense of buying last minute plane tickets) which ended up being held in what looked like a high school gym. I was like, "HUH???"

Really, though, I wonder what it is that these girls/moms expect will be the end result of what they're going through. Are they trying to become professional dancers? Get college scholarships? What???
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:40 PM
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I watched an episode last night, but I'm not sure how recent it is because it had been TiVo'd. Abby had seven girls learn solos for some supposedly huge competition in New Jersey but found out a few days beforehand that it was cancelled. Wanting the girls to not have their solos wasted, she found a competition on the same day in Texas (not a peep out of the moms about the expense of buying last minute plane tickets) which ended up being held in what looked like a high school gym. I was like, "HUH???"

Really, though, I wonder what it is that these girls/moms expect will be the end result of what they're going through. Are they trying to become professional dancers? Get college scholarships? What???
That's the newest episode!
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:19 PM
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Did anyone else think that Maddie's curls made her lookalike Snidley Whiplash?
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:32 AM
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Ugh! Do NOT like this show, but watched it this week to remind myself just why I do not like it. Good point brought up--how in the heck can Abby Lee or the individual families afford flights at the last minute to Galveston, TX !? And why , WHY must they compete every weekend? I would think that it would be nice to have a "free" weekend to hang out at home, see friends, sleep, etc!! Also, Page looks terribly thin to me. Anyone else think that? Jill is foul. Just awful. Can't believe that the dance competition was in a gym on a gym floor!! I would think that liability on the part of the dance company putting on the show would prohibit that! Lastly, it is not uncommon for dance team members to be under contract for a year, whereby they can't switch studios and perform with any other studio of dance teacher. Usually there is a steep financial penalty for breaking the contract. That could be why these moms don't pull their kids out of Abby's studio. But, personally, I still think that it is over dramatized for the sake of television. They all irritate me.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:48 PM
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I admit that I'm a little obssesed with this show - largely because I watch it and then, as a parent and a teacher, feel completely reaffirmed afterwards by realizing that even though I had my bad days and made my mistakes, on my worst day, I wasn't even close to any of these nutcases.

Daughter did a little bit of dance as a kid (just classes - not teams) but she was on her HS dance team which did compete and had friends on it who had been on competitive dance teams for years. Our city was small- nothing like Pittsburgh, so that could make a difference, but from what I know -

a) Dance teams, like any other competitive activity, have a season when you could expect to be busy most weekends, but it isn't year-round. Also, I'm sure they only film the weekends the girls have competition, so I don't know that they're actually gone every weekend.

b) We had every dance competition on gym floors (that was HS dance teams though), but it wasn't unusual to have studio dance competitions on gym floors. Perhaps that was related to the lack of large stage venues in our area.

c) I've never heard of a girl signing a contract to stay at a specific studio for a year. Many of our friends who had done years of studio dance had switched studios at least once and since that usually involved drama - a lot had done it rather suddenly and mid-stream so to speak. I've heard of studios/gyms having coaches sign a contract like that although a lawyer friend later told us that those really weren't worth the paper they were written on. Maybe those are more typical in other places where the competition is stiffer, and I could see the point in that group dances are choreographed and blocked carefully, so having a girl leave suddenly (like Brooke did) can screw things up.

I don't get the sudden trip to Galveston either but I'm betting the show picked up the check for that.

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Old 02-18-2012, 01:22 PM
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In twenty years of dance, fourteen of those competitive, I've never seen a competition on a gymnasium floor. The only time I have ever danced on a gym floor was for a few random school events that I performed at. It's actually terrifying if you are used to stage/studio floors, and there generally is not a lot of time to warm up/practice on the floor.

My studio did not work this way, but I know there are some studios where you pay a flat (albeit ridiculously expensive) fee for the year, this could be what they are working with. If I've paid $30,000+ and I was told I was going to get x number of competitions out of it, I would absolutely want them to find another competition.

The contract thing is pretty normal for competitive studios. IIRC, it only affects those who actually compete. In Irish dance, you HAVE to wait 6 months to a year to start competing (by An Coimisiún rules). So that really isn't anything unique. A lot of it has to do with people trying to steal choreography.
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:43 PM
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The contract thing is pretty normal for competitive studios. IIRC, it only affects those who actually compete. In Irish dance, you HAVE to wait 6 months to a year to start competing (by An Coimisiún rules). So that really isn't anything unique. A lot of it has to do with people trying to steal choreography.
Hijack for a quick second...do you Irish dance!?! I currently compete under an AnCom school.

And now back to Dance Moms, which I'll admit is a guilty pleasure that I totally watch.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:20 PM
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In twenty years of dance, fourteen of those competitive, I've never seen a competition on a gymnasium floor. The only time I have ever danced on a gym floor was for a few random school events that I performed at. It's actually terrifying if you are used to stage/studio floors, and there generally is not a lot of time to warm up/practice on the floor.

My studio did not work this way, but I know there are some studios where you pay a flat (albeit ridiculously expensive) fee for the year, this could be what they are working with. If I've paid $30,000+ and I was told I was going to get x number of competitions out of it, I would absolutely want them to find another competition.

The contract thing is pretty normal for competitive studios. IIRC, it only affects those who actually compete. In Irish dance, you HAVE to wait 6 months to a year to start competing (by An Coimisiún rules). So that really isn't anything unique. A lot of it has to do with people trying to steal choreography.

Then I assume that b and c had to do with our area at the time and it's location (which was very small urban and not at all close to a large urban area).

I do know that her friends who were in studio, while they obviously preferred not to compete on gym floors - did it and all of the area HS dance teams did it for every competition (of course I realize that HS dance teams are not the same thing as studio dance teams).

I understand the reason for the contract - it makes sense to me in that regard, but I would assume, as we discovered with similar coaching contracts, they are not very enforceable. Lawyer friend (who was a parent at our gymnastics club where they commonly had coaches sign these contracts) said that the court costs were such and the likehood of winning so small that they were pretty pointless in the long run.

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