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thetalady 02-08-2017 01:35 PM

Beta Theta Pi pledge dies at Penn State
 
Such a tragic event at Beta Theta Pi at Penn State.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/que...id=LENOVODHP15

Kevin 02-08-2017 06:40 PM

Just tragic. It sounds like an awful accident. I've seen a lot of reports where people are jumping to conclusions before the facts are fully investigated.

PGD-GRAD 02-08-2017 08:15 PM

Yes, I agree that it probably was an accident. But the resulting issues are the problem: providing alcohol to minors, moving the injured party without regard to possible spinal or brain trauma and NOT calling for help immediately.
As advisors, we are so aware and constantly preach the correct response. Sadly, this could have been many national chapters at many schools. There are too many litigatable issues to even count.

Kevin 02-09-2017 11:34 PM

There are lots of good defenses too, i.e., assumption of the risk. When the school has apparently labeled it as a "pledge/hazing event," I tend to wait until the facts come out because it's going to be either ridiculously bad for Beta, or there could still be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this terrible tragedy. Time will tell. Not speculation.

ASTalumna06 02-10-2017 07:36 AM

Penn State bans fraternity parties from serving alcohol

http://www.wpxi.com/news/penn-state-...ohol/492646295

honeychile 02-10-2017 09:55 PM

Is that house fairly new? I remember going to a few parties there (a few years ago), but I don't remember it looking like that.

Kevin 02-11-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 2427271)
Penn State bans fraternity parties from serving alcohol

http://www.wpxi.com/news/penn-state-...ohol/492646295

I really don't like it that schools do this. Now, instead of partying mostly safely at home, they'll party in rented houses all around town, then drive back to their homes. Far less safe. Kids are going to drink in college. The best thing we can do is educate them on how to do it responsibly--and a policy stating that all underage drinking is irresponsible and we're going to pretend it doesn't happen will claim lives.

Tom Earp 02-11-2017 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2427207)
Just tragic. It sounds like an awful accident. I've seen a lot of reports where people are jumping to conclusions before the facts are fully investigated.

I have to agree here as we all have or could be accused of this including myself.


My main problem with this whole thing was how long it took to contact some one for help for this young man! I am very disturbed by that fact!

I also get upset with any College is when something happens the Fraternity is suspended with out a full review of all of the circumstances. But in todays enviroment, that seems to be the norm today.:(

Kevin 02-11-2017 09:34 PM

Suspended isn't the same as expelled.

33girl 02-11-2017 10:09 PM

They've "suspended" or "banned" fraternity parties at Penn State a million billion times. It usually lasts until the next upcoming vacation (thanksgiving, Christmas, spring break, end of year) is over. No one wants that whole party population unleashed into the general State College area permanently.

For being the Whiskey Rebellion state, Pennsylvania has always had the most ridiculous puritanical laws toward alcohol (which of course bear no resemblance to what actual humans do). Maybe now that we're stepping firmly into the 1970s & selling beer in grocery stores, we'll also change attitudes and realize that keeping kids safe more important than busting them for drinking underage.

navane 02-12-2017 01:12 AM

Remember, Liam Neesom's wife, Natasha Richardson, fell and hit her head while skiing. She was "fine", talking and refusing medical treatment for several hours before someone finally got her to the hospital. She later died.

If the young man in this case was also intoxicated, I can understand why the others didn't fully recognize his injuries. Like Kevin said, we need to wait for the full facts to come out.

jolene 02-13-2017 04:47 PM

Just saw this article--freshman dies after night of binge drinking: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-drinking.html

*winter* 02-15-2017 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jolene (Post 2427474)
Just saw this article--freshman dies after night of binge drinking: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-drinking.html

??? This is at MU in Ohio

ChioLu 05-06-2017 01:32 PM

18 members charged in the death.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/18-frater...210035188.html

navane 05-06-2017 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by navane (Post 2427370)
Remember, Liam Neesom's wife, Natasha Richardson, fell and hit her head while skiing. She was "fine", talking and refusing medical treatment for several hours before someone finally got her to the hospital. She later died.

If the young man in this case was also intoxicated, I can understand why the others didn't fully recognize his injuries. Like Kevin said, we need to wait for the full facts to come out.


Well...I said we should wait until the full facts are out and the facts are indeed now coming out. I've just read an article which presents a more detailed picture of what happened. The nearly hour-by-hour description of this young man's death are horrific and, apparently, the events were caught on video surveillance cameras. So sad.

The article: https://www.yahoo.com/gma/penn-state...opstories.html


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