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AGDCanada11 09-01-2014 04:37 PM

19th edition of the Green Book
Here is the new 2014 edition of the Manual of Information!

Titchou 09-01-2014 04:38 PM

Thank you!

Griffins&Quills 11-02-2015 07:11 PM

I don't remember if we had an RFM thread stickied somewhere, so, I figured here would be appropriate for the question.

Is there a reason why total is adjusted within 72 hours of bid day? Wouldn't it make more sense to adjust total after graduation each semester to account for girls who graduated and girls who pledged but dropped?

DaffyKD 11-03-2015 10:01 AM

Someone did not proof read :(. The description of the KD new member badge is mashed together with the description of the AZD badge.


LouAnn 11-03-2015 10:19 AM

I think the reason for waiting 72 hours after bid day is to account for the fact that that incoming pledge classes maybe dramatically smaller or larger than the graduating class. If you reset total after graduation, your total would be an average or median of chapter size with only had 3 full pledge classes, which would put most chapters over total after recruitment (especially with the larger pledge classes we are seeing). The idea is to try to have the chapters participate in more recruiting year round and allow as many women as possible to opportunity to go greek.

The 72 hours may allow for the chapters to account for those immediate drops/no shows on bid day or right after if they have them (gives them until their first pledge ceremony, if they have one).

Griffins&Quills 11-03-2015 05:18 PM

Interesting. That makes sense but it seems like it's an inflated version of total. I could be wrong, but to me, adjusting at the end of each semester seems like it would give a more accurate picture of total.

It's great to give more women the opportunity to join but at certain campuses, where non-primary recruitment still has a stigma, I feel like it ends up hurting chapters. Because total is falsely inflated it ends up forcing groups to recruit who don't really need to because the average chapter size is in reality, slightly lower than it was when total was determined. And then it can also make it seem like a campus is ready for expansion when they're actually not.

I'm not sure I'm explaining my thought process well, but I guess what I'm getting at is that total isn't accounting for retention.

Why bother having total or formal recruitment at all, if the goal is to have chapters recruiting year-round? Because total is adjusted too early, you're creating a false environment, basically forcing chapters to COB. Why not just do away with formal recruitment and move entirely to COB, or remove the total "ceiling" and allow groups to pledge as many as they want, within a +/- percentage of average chapter size?

Maybe total should be total range, instead of quota range.

33girl 11-03-2015 06:22 PM

It's not just falsely inflated - if TUV makes quota plus due to RFM and guaranteed bids for those who maximize their options, BUT half those women don't show up at bid day, that will get reflected in the averages too. That way TUV 's actual total is showing.

Griffins&Quills 11-03-2015 06:26 PM

I don't understand. If you're saying they don't show up to bid day, that should be reflected when adjusting total because of the 72 hour thing, right?

I'm talking about later in the semester, like, girls who drop right before initiation

LouAnn 11-04-2015 10:57 AM

I understand what you're saying, and do agree that it creates a long cumbersome process of constantly COB-ing if you are a chapter that is right on the line. You are at total and then one person resigns or transfers or leaves the chapter in any way, then you are under. I've witnessed it at chapters and it can be slightly stressful for the people in charge of membership and recruitment, as well as those responsible for the new member programs.

Perhaps some of it is to change stigma of informal recruitment, so that there aren't only one or two chapters that are typically recruiting that way, but depending on the campus, that could take some time.

Some campuses can do a two tiered reset, specifically those doing deferred recruitment and even some that do the regular, traditional fall formal are talking resetting again after the fall semester to account for those numbers. Some campuses have elected to use a formula for their total reset to be average or median less x% to account for a little attrition or graduation, but that is on a campus by campus basis.

DeltaBetaBaby 11-04-2015 11:36 AM

If the total readjustments create openings, you can quickly fill them on the sly and nobody is the wiser.

Griffins&Quills 11-04-2015 03:43 PM

I was curious because it just seems like total is not totally accurate and I feel like while the goal is to take away the stigma of informal recruitment, I don't think it does.

When you have a campus that has always pretty much only done formal, and half or less of the groups do informal, and that half consists of the weaker recruiting chapters and maybe a middle or strong recruiting chapter, I don't see any amount of time changing that stigma.

I could be wrong but it just makes more sense to me to see a two-tiered reset or a total range like quota range.

AGDee 11-05-2015 10:05 PM

I thought the goal was to force them to raise Total because they have been so hesitant to do so. There were campuses where Total was 55 but average chapter size was close to 70. Nobody would raise Total because they were afraid that one bad year would make them NOT get to Total.

As with anything, there are pros and cons. Pros- chapters who end up below average chapter size can pick up a few women quickly and include them with the rest of that class right away. Possible con- chapters could tell PNMs that they want them but won't be able to pick them up during formal but will have space as soon as Total is raised so they should drop out of recruitment and get a COR bid later.

QueenD 11-07-2015 01:20 PM

I think AGDee hit the nail on the head. I was recruitment adviser during a period when it was high time to raise total, but the majority of sororities on campus resisted it, in large part because they hadn't done COB in years and would have been at risk to need to COB in the spring semester. When the new rules about resetting total 72 hours after bid day came about, we had a chapter that raised hell and fought it. Thank goodness it's now much more established as the rule.

Titchou 11-07-2015 02:07 PM

You have a range of options on where to set total. So each campus should be able to find one -with the help of their area adviser - that suits their particular campus.

hannah2 12-01-2016 01:09 AM

Total is set within 72 hours of the primary recruitment to allow for chapters to adjust their numbers for PNM no-shows and quick drops. It is also set early to assist in bringing about parity within the panhellenic system. This allows chapters who are eligible to COB to do so during the semester. Total should be set at median chapter size unless their bylaws state average or largest chapter size. Total should now be re-calculated each semester, again to assist in bringing about parity.

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