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ASTalumna06 09-21-2021 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by navane (Post 2487059)
A university is under no obligation to abide by the wishes of an outside organization. If the university suspends a chapter(s) for what they believe is just cause, then I don't see what the NPC Green Book has to do with any of this.
This is what I was thinking, as well.

Is the Green Book referring to sanctions from a school or sanctions from an NPC sorority/college Panhellenic? I am admittedly not an expert on the Green Book.

Low D Flat 09-21-2021 02:00 PM
There are informal off-campus satellite houses at a number of other schools. Seniors pass the leases down. For example, I've heard of this at Washington & Lee.

Cookiez17 09-21-2021 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by oncegreek (Post 2487060)
UCSB has seen many chapters come and go over the years. I was Greek at UCSB in the early eighties, and at that time many girls would rush, but then drop out if they if they were not invited back to a select few houses that were regarded as highly desirable. This attitude, I think contributed to the closure of so many chapters. Off topic, sorry.... some chapters have "satellite houses" that seniors live in... I wonder if activities occurred in those spaces that led to these suspensions. I have never heard of any other campus having these.
This might lead to the PNMs to be more open about where they end up rather than focusing on rank. Maybe someone was dead set on ABC and if ABC is out of recruitment she might rethink her choices.

But someone mentioned that COB/informal could occur if the investigation doesn't yield anything significant, so the houses can probably put together a NMC.

AZTheta 09-21-2021 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookiez17 (Post 2487063)
This might lead to the PNMs to be more open about where they end up rather than focusing on rank. Maybe someone was dead set on ABC and if ABC is out of recruitment she might rethink her choices.

But someone mentioned that COB/informal could occur if the investigation doesn't yield anything significant, so the houses can probably put together a NMC.
No. No. No. Sigh. No.

oncegreek, TLLK & I are very familiar with UCSB & we have had private convos about the greek system there. Their opinions are valid. I happen to agree with them.

And I've had convos w/ AZ-Alpha Xi about what my other Panhellenic sisters here have shared vis-a-vis the Green Book and this situation.

Again UGH UGH UGH.

oncegreek 09-21-2021 04:19 PM
Az Theta is right. Greek life is not as popular as it is at say, USC, or even UCLA. Girls would rather not join if they are not invited to their perceived favorite houses.

dukedg 09-21-2021 05:16 PM
I'm the Regional Collegiate Recruitment Specialist for DG in California and this whole situation has been chaotic from the onset on Sunday morning. My understanding is that none of this is going through Panhel in anyway and is all coming from the University admin directly to the groups. The numbers of PNMs didn't decline as much as we expected after news of this got out so we shall see if we end up dividing all the PNMs over the four remaining orgs.

The University told us (originally when only three orgs were involved) that it would take most of the quarter for them to complete their investigations since they are understaffed in that office?!?

TLLK 09-21-2021 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dukedg (Post 2487068)
I'm the Regional Collegiate Recruitment Specialist for DG in California and this whole situation has been chaotic from the onset on Sunday morning. My understanding is that none of this is going through Panhel in anyway and is all coming from the University admin directly to the groups. The numbers of PNMs didn't decline as much as we expected after news of this got out so we shall see if we end up dividing all the PNMs over the four remaining orgs.

The University told us (originally when only three orgs were involved) that it would take most of the quarter for them to complete their investigations since they are understaffed in that office?!?

Hi dukedg-First of all thank you for all of the work that you do for the Region especially during this very busy time of the year. :)

Thank you for sharing the information that you have heard in regards to the very unfortunate situation at UCSB.



Glad to hear that the number of PNMs didn't decline as much as it was expected.

TLLK 09-21-2021 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by oncegreek (Post 2487060)
UCSB has seen many chapters come and go over the years. I was Greek at UCSB in the early eighties, and at that time many girls would rush, but then drop out if they if they were not invited back to a select few houses that were regarded as highly desirable. This attitude, I think contributed to the closure of so many chapters. Off topic, sorry.... some chapters have "satellite houses" that seniors live in... I wonder if activities occurred in those spaces that led to these suspensions. I have never heard of any other campus having these.

Yes I understand that the "satellite houses" are still ongoing in 2021. Considering the housing crisis that the university has had and is currently experiencing, these types of houses are still needed.

Cheerio 09-21-2021 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dukedg (Post 2487068)
I'm the Regional Collegiate Recruitment Specialist for DG in California and this whole situation has been chaotic from the onset on Sunday morning. My understanding is that none of this is going through Panhel in anyway and is all coming from the University admin directly to the groups. The numbers of PNMs didn't decline as much as we expected after news of this got out so we shall see if we end up dividing all the PNMs over the four remaining orgs.

The University told us (originally when only three orgs were involved) that it would take most of the quarter for them to complete their investigations since they are understaffed in that office?!?
How grueling to suddenly have much larger PNM groups coming thru recruitment, due to half the houses no longer recruiting.

33girl 09-22-2021 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by navane (Post 2487059)
A university is under no obligation to abide by the wishes of an outside organization. If the university suspends a chapter(s) for what they believe is just cause, then I don't see what the NPC Green Book has to do with any of this.
Again, it is a freedom of association issue. Our Alpha chapter sued over something like this and it was determined they were allowed to recruit informally.

If they don’t want to back up the NPC rules, then they need to derecognize that college’s chapter of Panhellenic.

And this is an interim suspension, not something meant to stick.

honeychile 09-22-2021 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2487050)
From the NPC Green Book: Sanctions shall not:
• Forbid primary recruitment or continuous open bidding activities or the observance
of an inter/national sorority event such as an educational program, ritual ceremony or
historical celebration.
• Affect a sorority chapter’s quota or total.
• Affect the time of new member acceptance and/or initiation.
• Forbid the right of an NPC sorority to vote in College Panhellenic meetings
This is how I remembered it as well.

TLLK 09-23-2021 08:52 PM
Article in the University newspaper.


https://dailynexus.com/2021-09-23/fo...g-allegations/


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According to UCSB spokesperson Andrea Estrada, “multiple Greek organization houses were placed on suspension recently in connection with allegations related to hazing.” Estrada did not specify the specific nature of the alleged hazing.
“Issuing an interim suspension is the campus’s protocol when hazing allegations meet the threshold of a charge against the Student Conduct Code. It is done as a precautionary, protective measure while the investigation and adjudication process takes place,” Estrada said in a statement to the Nexus.
UCSB Panhellenic President Sophia Lake declined to comment on the hazing allegations against the four sororities.

PGD-GRAD 09-25-2021 07:30 PM
I think I read that UCSB’s recruitment ended sometime this weekend—not sure when BID DAY is.
Does anybody know how many girls had originally signed for recruitment, stayed in and then pledged one of the FOUR eligible groups?

Cookiez17 09-25-2021 10:02 PM
Bid day was today actually. I only caught a glimpse of Delta Gamma's pledge class on instagram and it looked pretty big.

NYCMS 09-26-2021 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookiez17 (Post 2487141)
Bid day was today actually. I only caught a glimpse of Delta Gamma's pledge class on instagram and it looked pretty big.
Cookiez17, can you clarify where you saw that? I looked at DG's UCSB's Insta page and saw nothing - only a picture from a day or two ago of two sisters. I also checked out Gamma Phi's UCSB Instagram page (they also participated in rush) and no Bid Day pics either.

I'm thinking maybe you saw this on Facebook? Curious to see, thanks.


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