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irishpipes 10-21-2015 04:28 PM

2015-2016 Schools that Need to Open for NPC Extension
 
This is a sequel to this thread.

This list wasn't very satisfying because they are all so obvious. I could have come up with 75 more that need expansion, but aren't in the top 25. For this list I limited myself to 25 schools, and I tried to focus on fall recruitments only (a new list can happen in spring). Of course there is one exception, but that makes the rule, I guess. Obviously there might be compelling reasons that expansion will not happen at the schools listed (I'm looking at you, Texas and Arizona). This list just means the numbers alone seem to strongly support a need. Any school that is open or has colonization planned/occurring was not considered.

1. University of Arkansas (Q 127-166, QLY same, T 440, 10 NPC, last colonies AXO and PM 2012)
2. University of Arizona (Q 103, QLY 107, T 293, 12 NPC, last colony AXO 2013)
3. Missouri State (Q 94, QLY 78, T 244, 7 NPC, last colony SSS 2013)
4. Florida State (Q90, QLY 87, T 239?, 17 NPC, last colony AOII 2013)
5. Mississippi State (Q 86, QLY 82, T ?, 8 NPC, last colony ADPi 2013)
6. Baylor (QLY 84, T ?, 8 NPC, last colony SK 1989-1994)
7. University of Colorado (Q 80?, QLY 80, T 235?, 9 NPC, last colony GPB 1999)
8. University of Oklahoma (Q 80, QLY 82, T 275?, 11 NPC, last colony AP 2007)
9. University of Missouri (Q83, QLY 90, T 317, 15 NPC, last colony SK 2012)
10. University of Nevada Reno (Q77, QLY 86, T 222, 5 NPC, last colony AOII 2015) *rumor Pi Phi may return 2015* (edit: Pi Phi is returning Spring 2017)
11. San Diego State (Q80+, QLY 70, T ?, 9 NPC, last colony AGD 2014)
12. Louisiana Tech (Q 67, QLY 59, T ?, 4 NPC, last colony DG 1986-2003)
13. Troy (Q 70, QLY 57, T 188, 6 NPC, last colony XO 1977)
14. Colorado State (Q 68, QLY 60, T ?, 8 NPC. last colony KAT 2014)
15. Georgia Southern (Q 73, QLY 66, T 226, 7 NPC, last colony DPhiE 2012) *rumor XO is returning*
16. University of Southern California (Q 71, QLY 69, T 200+, 11 NPC, last colony AGD 2014)
17. Florida Atlantic (Q 67, QLY 55, T ?, 6 NPC, last colony PM 2013)
18. Clemson (Q 62, QLY 61, T 222, 12 NPC, last colony AP 2012)
19. Princeton (Q 53-63, 3 NPC, last colony DDD 1990-2005)
20. University of Louisiana - Lafayette (Q 62, QLY 53, T 121?, 6 NPC, ADPi 2014)
21. Southern Illinois - Edwardsville (Q 56-60, QLY 58, T 134?, 4 NPC, last colony AXiD 2014)
22. University of Texas (Q 61, QLY 65, T 255, 14 NPC, last colony AGD 1985-1996)
23. Georgia Tech (Q 62, QLY 50, T 164, 7 NPC, last colony AP 2009)
24. East Carolina (Q 61, QLY 57, T 154, 10 NPC, last colony PM 2013)
25. Stephen F Austin (Q 54, QLY 48, T ?, 5 NPC, last colony GPB 1990-1994)

I have about 20 honorable mentions. Mostly schools where quota isn't crazy high, but the number of NPCs is too low. (For example, CSU East Bay where quota was 48 and they have 2 NPCs.)

Thanks you Texas A&M for opening up and Texas State for forming an exploratory committee - that saved 2 spaces on the list!

jolene 10-21-2015 04:37 PM

Alabama needs to open up, but don't know if there's space to build a house and to be competitive an org would need one. Also don't know how 'the machine' would affect opening up.

Griffins&Quills 10-21-2015 05:51 PM

Total at Georgia Tech is closer to 200 but I don't know exactly what it is. Alpha Gamma Delta posted on their instagram that they have 215 sisters.

From the master site plan for Alabama, there are like 3 lots available for a new group to build a house, but I know a lot of musical house construction has been going on, so that may have been a factor in why groups haven't gone forward with expansion there.

DubaiSis 10-21-2015 06:14 PM

I'll take your lead and highlight my top 5. And since 2 cents is always required, my commentary
Quote:

Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 2376550)

1. University of Arkansas (Q 127-166, QLY same, T 440, 10 NPC, last colonies AXO and PM 2012) I think maybe the 2 colonies at once was a little stressful on the system, but I agree, and while I don't feel completely confident on this, I THINK they have the housing problem worked out, right? So anyone with deep enough pockets should be able to conquer this one.
2. University of Arizona (Q 103, QLY 107, T 193, 12 NPC, last colony AXO 2013)
3. Missouri State (Q 94, QLY 78, T 244, 7 NPC, last colony SSS 2013)
4. Florida State (Q90, QLY 87, T 239?, 17 NPC, last colony AOII 2013)
5. Mississippi State (Q 86, QLY 82, T ?, 8 NPC, last colony ADPi 2013)
6. Baylor (QLY 84, T ?, 8 NPC, last colony SK 1989-1994)
7. University of Colorado (Q 80?, QLY 80, T 235?, 9 NPC, last colony GPB 1999) Why hasn't this one opened up yet? It seems to have needed it for 4 or 5 years.
8. University of Oklahoma (Q 80, QLY 82, T 275?, 11 NPC, last colony AP 2007)
9. University of Missouri (Q83, QLY 90, T 317, 15 NPC, last colony SK 2012) I don't know about housing here, but I want it to open and I want us to get it, so I'm putting this in my top 5.
10. University of Nevada Reno (Q77, QLY 86, T 222, 5 NPC, last colony AOII 2015) *rumor Pi Phi may return 2015*
11. San Diego State (Q80+, QLY 70, T ?, 9 NPC, last colony AGD 2014)
12. Louisiana Tech (Q 67, QLY 59, T ?, 4 NPC, last colony DG 1986-2003)
13. Troy (Q 70, QLY 57, T 188, 6 NPC, last colony XO 1977)
14. Colorado State (Q 68, QLY 60, T ?, 8 NPC. last colony KAT 2014)
15. Georgia Southern (Q 73, QLY 66, T 226, 7 NPC, last colony DPhiE 2012) *rumor XO is returning*
16. University of Southern California (Q 71, QLY 69, T 200+, 11 NPC, last colony AGD 2014)
17. Florida Atlantic (Q 67, QLY 55, T ?, 6 NPC, last colony PM 2013)
18. Clemson (Q 62, QLY 61, T 222, 12 NPC, last colony AP 2012)
19. Princeton (Q 53-63, 3 NPC, last colony DDD 1990-2005)
20. University of Louisiana - Lafayette (Q 62, QLY 53, T 121?, 6 NPC, ADPi 2014)
21. Southern Illinois - Edwardsville (Q 56-60, QLY 58, T 134?, 4 NPC, last colony AXiD 2014)
22. University of Texas (Q 61, QLY 65, T 255, 14 NPC, last colony AGD 1985-1996)
23. Georgia Tech (Q 62, QLY 50, T 164, 7 NPC, last colony AP 2009)
24. East Carolina (Q 61, QLY 57, T 154, 10 NPC, last colony PM 2013)
25. Stephen F Austin (Q 54, QLY 48, T ?, 5 NPC, last colony GPB 1990-1994)

I would also throw in LSU and Florida, but I definitely have a bias toward the huge schools


ChioLu 10-21-2015 06:20 PM

Space to build housing is an issue at several schools.
GA Tech -- from the campus map, I don't see available space (unless it's by the North Campus parking deck or the University President's house)
Univ. of Oklahoma -- what house is ADG using temporarily while their house is being repaired (fire damage)? Does KD still own their house if they were chosen to recolonize?
USC (California) - unless there's a fraternity that has recently closed, it would be difficult & costly to acquire housing in this area of Los Angeles. And, I believe, most of the sororities have security guards nightly (added cost).

irishpipes -- what are your honorable mentions?

jolene 10-21-2015 06:31 PM

It boggles my mind when I see chapter total being around 400. Arkansas seems to be asking for a new group to come in. lol

33girl 10-21-2015 07:09 PM

I wonder if the non-recognition of the fraternities at Colorado is a factor? Yes the sororities are recognized, but they don't exist in a vacuum, and I can see where that would make some groups nervous. Especially if they don't have a lot of active alumnae in the area to keep an eye on things.

And I said this before but will say it again. I cannot BEEEEELLLIIEEEVE how much the name change at Missouri State has changed things there.

Griffins&Quills 10-21-2015 07:21 PM

There is a site plan for Georgia Tech. First one of the last row.

http://hugarchitects.com/portfolio/g...eek-housing-i/

It was done when Hug was chosen to build Alpha Phi's house. The site plan photos were actually together with the Alpha Phi house plans, but it looks like they've removed the house plans and just have the site plan now. As it is, Alpha Phi when they chartered were living in an independently owned cottage smack dab in the center of the greek sector that was never really intended for sorority/fraternity housing (due to size). That's now been sold to a fraternity that's been on campus a few years but was operating without a house. And Alpha Phi is renting the Phi Tau house for 2 years while Phi Tau is off campus. Originally they were planning to build next to ADPi but the story was that there were gas lines under the property, so, I don't know if that lot is a viable option anymore. Or what the status of their building plans are.

There are lots available. And any new group will need a house and quickly. But land is very expensive. The parking lot behind Alpha Xi is roughly $1.6 million. When Alpha Gam was building their new house, they lived together on a dorm floor.

There has been a lot of construction in the greek sector in recent years with more to follow. I know Delta Sigma Phi is working on plans for a new house, Alpha Gam, FIJI and Kappa Sig are all brand new, and TKE split their reconstruction into two parts and the back half of their house is new.

jolene 10-21-2015 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griffins&Quills (Post 2376568)
There is a site plan for Georgia Tech. First one of the last row.

http://hugarchitects.com/portfolio/g...eek-housing-i/

It was done when Hug was chosen to build Alpha Phi's house. The site plan photos were actually together with the Alpha Phi house plans, but it looks like they've removed the house plans and just have the site plan now. As it is, Alpha Phi when they chartered were living in an independently owned cottage smack dab in the center of the greek sector that was never really intended for sorority/fraternity housing (due to size). That's now been sold to a fraternity that's been on campus a few years but was operating without a house. And Alpha Phi is renting the Phi Tau house for 2 years while Phi Tau is off campus. Originally they were planning to build next to ADPi but the story was that there were gas lines under the property, so, I don't know if that lot is a viable option anymore. Or what the status of their building plans are.

There are lots available. And any new group will need a house and quickly. But land is very expensive. The parking lot behind Alpha Xi is roughly $1.6 million. When Alpha Gam was building their new house, they lived together on a dorm floor.

There has been a lot of construction in the greek sector in recent years with more to follow. I know Delta Sigma Phi is working on plans for a new house, Alpha Gam, FIJI and Kappa Sig are all brand new, and TKE split their reconstruction into two parts and the back half of their house is new.

Wow. I'm being taken back to the mid-90s. ;) I dated a Ga Tech Kappa Sig before dating my now-husband. Didn't know that house was no longer.

Griffins&Quills 10-21-2015 07:29 PM

Hug actually has photos in their portfolio of Tech greek houses they've done including Kappa Sig, Theta Chi, Beta.

And apologies, it looks like the Alpha Phi house plans are still on their site.

Bluebell4 10-21-2015 07:32 PM

Expansion
 
Wish Ole Miss would open again but like many schools there is no room to build a house of competitive size. With quota of 142 and most chapters taking additions and total over 400 another chapter would be great.

pbear19 10-21-2015 07:34 PM

Mizzou's exploratory committee is having its first meeting tomorrow. :)

irishpipes 10-21-2015 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChioLu (Post 2376563)
Space to build housing is an issue at several schools.
GA Tech -- from the campus map, I don't see available space (unless it's by the North Campus parking deck or the University President's house)
Univ. of Oklahoma -- what house is ADG using temporarily while their house is being repaired (fire damage)? Does KD still own their house if they were chosen to recolonize?
USC (California) - unless there's a fraternity that has recently closed, it would be difficult & costly to acquire housing in this area of Los Angeles. And, I believe, most of the sororities have security guards nightly (added cost).

irishpipes -- what are your honorable mentions?

Since you asked :)

In no order:
U North Alabama (Q 45, QLY 37, 4 NPC, last colony AGD 1977)
U South Alabama (Q 47, QLY 39, 5 NPC, last colony AGD 1984)
Northern Arizona (Q 72, QLY 65, 8 NPC, last colony KD 2015)
U Central Arkansas (Q 52, QLY 54, 5 NPC, last colony SSS 2008)
CSU - East Bay (Q 48, QLY 44, T 80, 2 NPC, last colony AP 1987)
CSU Fullerton (Q 61, QLY 71, 6 NPC, last colony ZTA 1979)
CSU Los Angeles (Q 45, QLY 29, 2 NPC, last colony AST 1993)
Chapman (Q 60s, 8 NPC, last colony PBP 2015)
San Francisco State (Q 46, QLY 39, 3 NPC, last colony AGD 1991)
George Washington (Q 53ish, QLY 53, 10 NPC, last colony KD 2012)
McNeese State (Q 43, QLY 30, 3 NPC, last colony ZTA 1971-1982)
Nicholls State (Q 55, QLY 48, 3 NPC, last colony AST 1997-2002)
U Louisiana Monroe (Q 42, QLY 40, 3 NPC, last colony SK 1986-2003)
East Tennessee State (Q 50, QLY 50, 4 NPC, last colony AXiD 1996)
U Texas Arlington (Q 50ish, QLY 33, 3 NPC, last colony AXO)
Colgate (Q 50-60, 3 NPC, last colony DDD 1996)

Also, I didn't include Florida, LSU, or Ole Miss because they have current expansion underway. (But we all know the current expansion won't be enough.) I didn't include Alabama because I wasn't sure - is it open? Isn't it?

And most of the toughest, neediest schools have some major barrier to colonization - that's why they're desperate. Usually it's housing, but sometimes campus culture is a major issue.

Griffins&Quills 10-21-2015 08:20 PM

I don't know if ETSU has a healthy enough system to support expansion. Things may have changed, but as far as I was aware, they had disparity in chapter sizes.

clemsongirl 10-21-2015 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2376567)
I wonder if the non-recognition of the fraternities at Colorado is a factor? Yes the sororities are recognized, but they don't exist in a vacuum, and I can see where that would make some groups nervous. Especially if they don't have a lot of active alumnae in the area to keep an eye on things.

I don't understand-none of the fraternities are recognized at UC-Boulder? This is what their Office of Greek Life website has to say:
"As a university we do not exercise direct control over the Greek system because sororities and fraternities at CU-Boulder are not legally affiliated with the university. On the other hand, the university does seek to influence the nature and operations of the Greek community that is recognized by the Panhellenic Association (Panhel) and the Multicultural Greek Council (MGC)."

But then when you go to the "Fraternity Life" subheading of the website it says "The University of Colorado Boulder is excited to announce that we are open to expansion and reaffiliation of all interfraternal organizations in good standing with their inter/national organization!"

So somehow the sororities are more recognized by the school than the fraternities?


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