From what I've read, the social took place before the "gauntlet" began and the women had all left.
Actually, the gauntlet took place after a short ritual. The social was to begin after that. If you read the timeline presented by the DA, the women were there when Tim fell. I have read reports that they spoke with him after his fall and they reported that he said he "was okay". So, they were definitely in a position to call 911 if they felt that his condition required medical attention. |
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I believe that if the Beta's had been hosting an NPC chapter that night, that group would be in hot water as well. IMO, PSU is singling out the Greeks with sanctions is far more of a CYA move, than real concern for student safety. If they wanted to implement policies to protect all students, these sanctions would be applied across all campuses, not just University Park, as well as all clubs and orgs on campus. There was a pledge death associated with hazing a few years ago at one of the branch campuses so it certainly goes on there. The THON orgs, like the one that was there that night, regularly have parties. Sanctions were not levied on the NPHC or NMGC chapters. The sanctions were levied exclusively on the IFC/Panhel chapters at University Park. This, to me, is telling about what leadership at PSU is really hoping to accomplish. |
http://nicindy.org/news/2017/the-uncomfortable-truth/
Letter from Judson Horras, NIC President & CEO and Beta Theta Pi alumnus. Probably raises more questions than answers. "Yet, the uncomfortable truth is that the inherent limitation of our interventions is that they attempt to influence student behavior from a position of external power. Time and time again, we are humbled by the fact that our efforts are shallow unless students are committed to doing the right thing in the moment. While so many outstanding students do rise to the challenge of leadership, others fall short of their responsibility to effectively govern." |
"Today Show" this morning had Tim Piazza's parents and his brother with their most in-depth interview yet--it was heart-wrenching; they said they had not watched the in-house video and could not. His father had nothing good to say about Penn State officials or any of the Beta brothers or pledges. They recounted their last minutes with Tim as he lay dying in the hospital.
They said that no brothers nor Penn State officials came to the wake or funeral. The interview was just damning and heart-breaking in EVERY sense. We ALL (advisors of both men's and women's groups) should consider showing these films and interviews to our entire chapters next fall. I believe they hit EVERYBODY, regardless of age. I've already spoken to our new chapter officers about it being part of one of next-fall's early meetings. |
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Penn State ‘Deeply Regrets’ Not Sending Administrator To Piazza Funeral
http://onwardstate.com/2017/05/15/pe...iazza-funeral/ It amazes me that no one thought it would be a good idea to send an administrator, just like it amazes me that not one person saw Tim in the state he was in and decided to call for help. |
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And if brothers WOULD have attended, there would have probably been everything from sneers of "hypocrites" under people's' breaths, to punches thrown. This is truly a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Unless there were brothers that were close enough to Mr Piazza that they'd gotten to know his family, I'd think those would be the last people his loved ones would want to see.
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I am surprised none of his pledge brothers went though; they were blameless. But as was said, I'm sure Beta Hdqtrs. told them to stay away. 33girl is probably right--damned either way. But maybe flowers from the pledge class?
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This is what happens when schools start to eliminate the Greek system. It won't go away, it'll come back and it'll be much worse. |
I completely agree! As PSU continues down the path of restricting recognized organizations, I suspect we will see more groups like this one. It is very concerning!
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Epsilon Sigma Alpha, which was briefly mentioned in the article, is the same way. Nationally a co-ed service organization, in practice another social sorority that recruits the same way Trilogy does and is also not a recognized Greek organization.
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A college where I used to teach (there's a long thread on GC somewhere) had locals for years until their awful and unregulated behavior forced the college into making everyone go national. One group dragged their feet, complained, and threatened but they finally went national too.
I don't blame the school! Students could've been killed doing what all they were doing! The college didn't want that or the liability they might have had to shoulder. |
Bad terminology makes me stabby. Trilogy and ESA are NOT underground sororities - they are recognized student organizations. Penn State had the same issue before when there were "service sororities" that functioned as social sororities, without the NPC restrictions.
IMO Penn State is susceptible to this sort of thing for two reasons; 1) there are SO many more fraternities than sororities, and 2) the sororities don't have houses, they have dorm suites. Trilogy doesn't have a house? Big whoop, ASA doesn't either. Until the sororities get houses or (even more so) the fraternities refuse to socialize with Trilogy and ESA, they're going to stay around. |
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But honestly, it could have been ANY sorority at this party, just as it could have been ANY fraternity this happened to, and anyone who doesn't believe that has their head in the sand. |
@33girl "it could have been ANY sorority at this party, just as it could have been ANY fraternity this happened to, and anyone who doesn't believe that has their head in the sand."
Of course it could have been, and if it were, that sorority would have been gone along with Beta Theta Pi. The DG chapter at UConn closed earlier this year. A member was killed in a horrific accident after attending a party at a fraternity. The accident was not related to chapter programming in this incident (i.e. no hazing, etc) other than the fact that she got drunk at an event the chapter was attending immediately before the accident. The DG chapter was closed. If this had been an NPC group at Beta's that night, they would be gone. The fact that PSU's administration has not addressed this THON org, undermines what they are trying to accomplish with their IFC/Panhel sanctions. |
I don't think there's an issue with disparity between number of fraternities and number of sororities. My campus had 7 sororities and 33 fraternities. We didn't have those issues. Then again, the South is a little different.
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And therefore, the suggestion that this imbalance provides opportunity for underground/local groups to thrive. Especially when they don't have any restrictions on the number of social events that they can plan. |
True that.
I will add that the fraternities can social with groups at other nearby colleges. There were a few fraternities at my school that flat out refused to mix with the sororities at my school - they mixed with groups (including NPC sorority chapters) at other schools. |
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There's also no schools near Penn State (that I know of), but I suppose schools near each other might find it a more valid option. I know the NPHC groups at the school I work at routinely attend each other's social events, but that's a different ball of wax. |
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Good point, ASTalumna06. I went to school in the Boston/Cambridge area, where you can't swing a cat without hitting a college or university.
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Did anyone see the pictures of Trilogy girls making Delta signs? Looks like a big FU to Tri Delta.
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As a proud member of an NPC group, I am bothered by the gall of these women. If someone wants to form a local, and the campus culture allows it, that is one thing. But, to carry on as imposters of another organization is crass. |
On another note, the Piazza family sent a letter to the PSU board in advance of their meeting today. Their suggestions are in the letter below:
http://onwardstate.com/2017/06/01/pi...y-proceedings/ |
While I scanned it only quickly, there's apparently a battle over the return of the camera footage taken from the PSU Beta house. If I can find the complete article I'll post it. It sounds as if Beta is angry that the county law enforcement either won't return it or did return it but not in its entirety. That tape is--as they say--"the smoking gun".
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Does ESA allow its collegiate chapters to be coed or single-sex on a local basis, or could a guy demand to join this chapter?
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Because ESA has only been on campus since Chi O left in 2014, it is not as entrenched as Trilogy is after 8 years. |
I feel horrible for the Piazzas, but assume of the things they ask (like the university becoming owners of all the Greek houses - this would require an enormous amount of money) are unrealistic.
Plus - I've read that his biological brother was also a Beta member a fee years ago. Is that true? If so, I question why it is never mentioned. |
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