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OneHeartOneWay 06-19-2012 04:14 PM

Not to speak for KSU, but I *think* what she means is that there are different levels of "wanting." A chapter might want Awesome Alex, but want the other 99 women on their Bid List more. Even though Awesome Alex puts them first, they fill before getting to her so she matches with the other chapter who has her on their first Bid List. If that's not what KSU meant, then it's just me saying that! :)

But, yes, in the scenario you put out where Awesome Alex is on the first bid list of both chapters, then Awesome Alex is picking from the chapters that want her.

KSUViolet06 06-19-2012 04:32 PM

^^^That's true.

I was just more reiterating that it's not always true that you'll wind up with "first" pick.

There are some 1:1 matches in recruitment bid matching, and that's great. It was more to point out that that's not going to happen for everyone. Her statement was a little too "blanket" and I wouldn't want a PNM to mistake it for something that always happens.

justgo_withit 06-19-2012 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay (Post 2153657)
Not to speak for KSU, but I *think* what she means is that there are different levels of "wanting." A chapter might want Awesome Alex, but want the other 99 women on their Bid List more. Even though Awesome Alex puts them first, they fill before getting to her so she matches with the other chapter who has her on their first Bid List. If that's not what KSU meant, then it's just me saying that! :)

But, yes, in the scenario you put out where Awesome Alex is on the first bid list of both chapters, then Awesome Alex is picking from the chapters that want her.

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2153659)
^^^That's true.

I was just more reiterating that it's not always true that you'll wind up with "first" pick.

There are some 1:1 matches in recruitment bid matching, and that's great. It was more to point out that that's not going to happen for everyone. Her statement was a little too "blanket" and I wouldn't want a PNM to mistake it for something that always happens.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

Greek_or_Geek? 06-19-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Splash (Post 2153635)
The PNM has the first choice of all the chapters who want her.

If every chapter wants her, she gets her first pick of all of them.
If only 2 chapters want her, she gets her pick of those two.

No. At preference round it will all depend on where she appears on each chapter's bid list. She can choose XYZ as her number one all she wants, but if she's at the bottom of their bid list and matches with one of the other chapters she preffed, that's where she ends up ... or if she isn't high enough on anyone's list and the school doesn't guarantee placement, she will go bidless.

Splash 06-19-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2153641)
No. Not really.

Yes, really. ;)

If during the days leading up to pref, the amount of parties she can go to is more than the chapters who choose to invite her back, she gets her pick, which is exactly what I said. She gets her first pick of the chapters who want her.

During pref, if the chapters want her so that they are sure to get her, they put her in a position that if she ranks them first, there is a match, which is exactly what I said. If both preference chapters want her for sure, she gets her pick.

It's mutual in that the PNM gets her pick first after the sororities get theirs, which is exactly what I said.

33girl 06-19-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Splash (Post 2153708)
During pref, if the chapters want her so that they are sure to get her, they put her in a position that if she ranks them first, there is a match, which is exactly what I said. If both preference chapters want her for sure, she gets her pick.

Unless they are WAY under total and can take quota + a bunch more to get to total, they can't do this for every girl they "want."

This kind of array of choices doesn't happen for the majority of PNMs in competitive rushes.

Greek_or_Geek? 06-19-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splash (Post 2153708)
Yes, really. ;)

If during the days leading up to pref, the amount of parties she can go to is more than the chapters who choose to invite her back, she gets her pick, which is exactly what I said. She gets her first pick of the chapters who want her.

During pref, if the chapters want her so that they are sure to get her, they put her in a position that if she ranks them first, there is a match, which is exactly what I said. If both preference chapters want her for sure, she gets her pick.

It's mutual in that the PNM gets her pick first after the sororities get theirs, which is exactly what I said.

Which part of the chapters are still in control of the situation do you not comprehend?

Splash 06-20-2012 12:21 PM

Here...

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Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2153761)
Which part of the chapters are still in control of the situation do you not comprehend?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splash (Post 2153708)
Yes, really. ;)

If during the days leading up to pref, the amount of parties she can go to is more than the chapters who choose to invite her back, she gets her pick, which is exactly what I said. She gets her first pick of the chapters who want her.

During pref, if the chapters want her so that they are sure to get her, they put her in a position that if she ranks them first, there is a match, which is exactly what I said. If both preference chapters want her for sure, she gets her pick.

It's mutual in that the PNM gets her pick first after the sororities get theirs, which is exactly what I said.


Splash 06-20-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2153736)
Unless they are WAY under total and can take quota + a bunch more to get to total, they can't do this for every girl they "want."

This kind of array of choices doesn't happen for the majority of PNMs in competitive rushes.

Yes it does. That is what ranking is for. So you get your choice based on what your options are.

KSUViolet06 06-20-2012 01:43 PM

Still no.

If you rank (for example) Theta #1 and Kappa #2, you could very likely get a bid to Kappa. Which means you're not "getting your choice based on your options."

The computer program is set up to try and match the PNM with first choice, but it moves on if #1 isn't available. So as much as you may "want your choice" of Theta, you're not going to get it.

TSteven 06-20-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2153877)
Still no.

If you rank (for example) Theta #1 and Kappa #2, you could very likely get a bid to Kappa. Which means you're not "getting your choice based on your options."

The computer program is set up to try and match the PNM with first choice, but it moves on if #1 isn't available. So as much as you may "want your choice" of Theta, you're not going to get it.

It seems like some of y'all may not be following Splash's example.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splash (Post 2153708)
If both preference chapters want her for sure, she gets her pick.

“For sure” here does not mean “we want her after and only if we do not get the other girls ranked above her first”. “For sure” means they want her absolutely and will do what they can to maximize the chapter’s possibility of her receiving a bid from them. The only way I know that a chapter could maximize that option/possibility is to put the PNM on the chapter's first bid list and hope she has them ranked first.

So to use the above example, if the PNM ranked Theta #1 and Kappa #2, and both chapters want her "for sure”, then the PNM will be on both chapters' 1st bid list. Thus the PNM will receive a bid from her first choice, in this example, Theta.

DubaiSis 06-20-2012 04:37 PM

The thing through this that may be getting missed is if you attend a preference party, you are 100% on their list. They can not CUT you after preference. The thing is WHERE you fall on the list. There is a first bid list and a second list. Rarely does a chapter get all of their first bid list, so then they start digging into their second list and it continues down until they've met their quota or run out of list. I think the "for sure" comment means you made the first bid list. If the rushee makes the first list of all of the chapters she prefs, then yes, it would be her choice. But typically it's not quite that cut and dried. And thankfully the computer does this matching now because in the old days it was HOURS AND HOURS of alumnae in a room going around the room doing something similar to the NFL draft.

tcsparky 07-16-2012 12:59 PM

Great advice in this thread!!

FSUZeta 07-16-2012 01:35 PM

ttt

FSUZeta 07-16-2012 03:26 PM

bump

wareagle93 07-16-2012 04:55 PM

Bump

AGDee 07-16-2012 05:14 PM

Just curious how it helps to bump a thread that is stickied to the top anyway?

carnation 07-16-2012 05:37 PM

It pushes the spam down, hopefully off of the front page.

AGDee 07-16-2012 05:48 PM

Ahhh, ok. I found that front page to the most annoying thing on GC ever so I have it bookmarked to go straight to the forums index and never see that page. I just go right into the forums. I hadn't thought about that front page.

carnation 07-16-2012 05:56 PM

Well see, I've been sending scores of PNMs to GC and it doesn't look too great when all they see is a page of Viagra or whatever that enhance-your-wang's-size-stuff is.

MaryPoppins 07-16-2012 09:51 PM

Bump

KSUViolet06 08-11-2012 06:29 PM

To add, you're not "voting" for chapters or "picking" them.

Seeing a lot of "I vote no for XYZ" or "Waiting in line to pick my chapters."


No.

hopeful222 08-13-2012 05:58 PM

what are the options
 
So what are the options for a girl who gets cut from all the chapters and is bidless at the end? (and apparently the school doesnt mandate placement)

irishpipes 08-13-2012 06:02 PM

The options are to contact the Greek Life office to inquire about COB opportunities, or to wait until the next formal recruitment period and try again, or find something besides Greek life to enjoy.

Cheerio 08-15-2012 02:39 PM

Bump...

KSUViolet06 08-15-2012 03:16 PM

^^^I don't know how I'm just now seeing your sig. Appreciate that people think I know what I'm talking about. I'm only 27 and I feel like I just yammer on and on like the teachers in the Peanuts cartoons.

To further advance this thread, here's an exhaustive list of the things you are NOT doing when you rank a chapter low. I've read these all from PNMs on here:


Cutting
Picking
Voting
Shopping
Picking the ones I want
Choosing
Rejecting



DeltaBetaBaby 08-15-2012 03:25 PM

I like the "selecting back-ups" terminology.

KillarneyRose 02-01-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2090215)
For those who remember - was it any better when bid day included a mixer? I mean if you did have weepy pledges, did they get over it a little bit when they went to the fraternity house full of hot men? (Not to mention beer)

Showing my age here, but they don't have Bid Day mixers anymore? When did that start??

FSUZeta 02-01-2013 08:36 AM

Don't know when, but it is an NPC directive, that Bid Day celebrations are manless.

thetalady 02-01-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 2201094)
Don't know when, but it is an NPC directive, that Bid Day celebrations are manless.

And certainly beer-less!

ComradesTrue 02-01-2013 11:32 AM

Don't know if it was just my campus, but our bid days were manless and beer-less in 1991 when I was a freshman.

FSUZeta 02-01-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by thetalady (Post 2201114)
And certainly beer-less!

right!

KillarneyRose 02-02-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Blondie93 (Post 2201115)
Don't know if it was just my campus, but our bid days were manless and beer-less in 1991 when I was a freshman.

I was a freshman in 1986 :eek: so it must have been changed some time between then and 1991

adpiucf 02-02-2013 10:06 PM

Alcohol is a big no-no, but I think that in my day UCF was flirting with manless Bid Day. I'm pretty sure things haven't changed. The men aren't invited to Bid Day, but a lot of the Bid Day activities take place outside the houses/on the street at UCF. It's like a big block party, and the street belongs to the guys just as much as the girls.

It's not unusual for fraternity guys to wander up and down the street to say high to their girlfriends and sorority friends, and to congratulate them on Bid Day. They're not checking the new members out per se or participating in the activities. Unless Panhellenic banned them from the street, I'm not sure how this could be avoided. The sororities certainly aren't going to boot them off the sidewalk, especially when they're just chatting with their friends. The guys do clear out once the Bid Day activities move indoors, and are not part of the evening celebration when the sororities go to area restaurants/venues.

gee_ess 02-02-2013 10:08 PM

I was a freshman in 1979 and we definitely had a Bid Day function/mixer with boys and beer! But hey, we were all drinking and driving back then, too!

WCsweet<3 02-02-2013 11:36 PM

At my campus there were no guys on actual bid day. I pledged in 2008. A few days/weeks later we had a mixer/function. Last year I believe there was a campus wide bid day function the weekend after as well.

sigmagirl10 02-03-2013 09:28 AM

My university had something called "Sunday Fun Day". I think that recruitment rules (esp. re: length of the dry period/which day of the week is Bid Day, and rules about social functions inside fraternity houses) have changed in order to prevent this.

Basically how it worked was this: Bid Day was on Saturday, and that was reserved for women-only chapter bid activities. Sunday, each fraternity would host a party (often with bounce houses, water stuff, new sand in their volleyball courts, etc.) and sorority chapters would essentially parade around with their new members (often with the whole chapter in coordinated colors/outfits) going from fraternity to fraternity for a day rager in order to introduce the new members.

There was (is?) also something called Midnight Madness, which I think was the following weekend on Friday or Saturday night, and was the same idea--but now the fraternities would have new members (they called them pledges...) to introduce.

AOII Angel 02-03-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KillarneyRose (Post 2201092)
Showing my age here, but they don't have Bid Day mixers anymore? When did that start??

1994. My pledge class was the last the have bid night parties. I think people probably sucked it up, but you still had to get to 7 or 8 pm. Plenty of time to turn down your bid.

AOII Angel 02-03-2013 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adpiucf (Post 2201347)
Alcohol is a big no-no, but I think that in my day UCF was flirting with manless Bid Day. I'm pretty sure things haven't changed. The men aren't invited to Bid Day, but a lot of the Bid Day activities take place outside the houses/on the street at UCF. It's like a big block party, and the street belongs to the guys just as much as the girls.

It's not unusual for fraternity guys to wander up and down the street to say high to their girlfriends and sorority friends, and to congratulate them on Bid Day. They're not checking the new members out per se or participating in the activities. Unless Panhellenic banned them from the street, I'm not sure how this could be avoided. The sororities certainly aren't going to boot them off the sidewalk, especially when they're just chatting with their friends. The guys do clear out once the Bid Day activities move indoors, and are not part of the evening celebration when the sororities go to area restaurants/venues.

That's very different from what we are talking about. In the OLD days, the fraternities would throw big parties on Bid Night and sororities would walk down Greek row with their new pledges in tow partying all night. At my campus, we did this in our new bid shirts. :eek: Yes, all four sororities drank all night in big four inch sewn on letters! (And 18 was the legal drinking age in Louisiana at the time.) I remember Delta Sig made a slip and slide in their front yard, and everyone had to be careful not to get thrown down it. Didn't want to get your new shirt ruined.

33girl 02-03-2013 10:37 AM

I'm not against NOT having mixers on bid day - the focus should be on sisters, not what guys you are going to meet - but I liked what we did, which was have plenty of sister time and then have a party for the sisters, pledges and anyone special in their life who they wanted to invite, male or female. (Many less "I can't believe you are mixing with those douchebags in XYZ" ticked off boyfriends that way.)

But as at many schools the party isn't eliminated, just postponed 24-48 hours, I think the dictates from NPC are kind of pointless.


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