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SAEalumnus 05-02-2007 04:50 PM

Dual Memberships
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne (Post 1438981)
I hate to double post but...

This has been an interesting thread and one of the only ones on this topic that hasn't turned ugly. However, considering the number of times this issue is brought up, don't you think it might warrant a sticky either in the Greek Life section or in Sorority (and Fraternity) Recruitment?

It could be quite simple:

Dual Membership

Two NPCs - not allowed
An NPC and an NPHC - not allowed
A local and an NPC - allowed but you may have to drop your membership with the local, ask about it
A service sorority or fraternity and an NPC - allowed

etc., etc.

When someone asks again, they can just be directed to the sticky. End of discussion.

Just a thought.

By popular demand. :) Allowed/Not Allowed conditions can be posted here and used for future reference.

ladygreek 05-02-2007 06:16 PM

Two NPHCs - not allowed
Non-NPC and NPHC - may be allowed, check with the organization.

DSTRen13 05-02-2007 06:24 PM

A service sorority or fraternity and an NPHC - allowed.
Two service sororities and/or fraternities - may be allowed, check with the organizations in question.

ladygreek 05-02-2007 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1439944)
A service sorority or fraternity and an NPHC - allowed.
Two service sororities and/or fraternities - may be allowed, check with the organizations in question.

Actually when I said non-NPC it was inclusive of all other kinds of GLOs. And since I don't know the rules of the other D4 regarding it, I said may be allowed.

Senusret I 05-02-2007 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1439945)
Actually when I said non-NPC it was inclusive of all other kinds of GLOs. And since I don't know the rules of the other D4 regarding it, I said may be allowed.

In this case, I think we should distinguish between service GLOs and general/social ones.

For example, I know NPHC orgs don't prohibit GSS or APO membership, but (at least my interpretation of my org's rules) is that you can't join if you were in ANY fraternity that was social/general.

No pledging a latino frat then changing your mind..... no founding a local and then switching teams.

Scandia 05-02-2007 07:11 PM

How about professional, cultural (other than NPHC), or religious based fraternities and sororities?

1908Revelations 05-02-2007 07:14 PM

One of my sorors is in a Christian Sorority.


ETA
Varies....Check with orgs in question

Senusret I 05-02-2007 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1908Revelations (Post 1439966)
One of my sorors is in a Christian Sorority.

I've heard of this very rarely.... this needs to be in the FAQs of those orgs, because I know some don't allow dual membership and others do.

Leslie Anne 05-02-2007 07:22 PM

Thanks so much for making this a sticky, SAEalumnus!

Now, for the record and for posterity:

Membership in two different NPCs - NOT ALLOWED! (even if it's at another campus)

If you were a New Member of one NPC and you were not initiated, you may pledge another NPC. However, you MUST wait one calendar year to accept a bid from the other NPC.

No "ifs", "ands", or "buts". End of story.

Thank you and have a nice day.:)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Apparently, that wasn't the end of the story. I've been informed by ISUKappa that waiting one calendar year to accept a bid from another NPC is only necessary if you stay on the same campus.

GDIfly 05-02-2007 08:30 PM

I'm glad this sticky got posted, because I've been wanting to ask, purely out of curiosity, about (social) locals + NPHC but didn't want to post another annoying thread like the 5 million that get posted a day. I guess Senruset answered sufficiently, unless it is different for NPHC sororities?

ladygreek 05-02-2007 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GDIfly (Post 1439999)
I'm glad this sticky got posted, because I've been wanting to ask, purely out of curiosity, about (social) locals + NPHC but didn't want to post another annoying thread like the 5 million that get posted a day. I guess Senruset answered sufficiently, unless it is different for NPHC sororities?

For Delta the prohibition is only for another NPHC or NPC sorority. And in fact it says is now or ever have been--meaning if you denounced your previous sorority you still cannot join Delta.

Other social, service, professional, cultural, etc. --fine.

emb021 05-08-2007 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1439944)
Two service sororities and/or fraternities - may be allowed, check with the organizations in question.

Let's see. There is only one service fraternity- APO and two service sororities- GSS and OPA.

APO places no restriction on members joining other organizations or being a member of other orgs (we have long been proud of our members being members of other groups).

I am not aware of either GSS or OPA placing restrictions on their members joining (or being a member) of other organizations. While I wouldn't see a problem with something being in APO & GSS or APO & OPA, some might have an issue with being in GSS & OPA, but am unaware of any such rule. Those who are part of GSS & OPA should be able to add to this.

emb021 05-08-2007 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scandia (Post 1439962)
How about professional, cultural (other than NPHC), or religious based fraternities and sororities?

Professional- only restriction I know of is you can't be member of more then one of the same 'type'. That is, there are multiple professional business fraternities. Can only join one. But you could be a member of different types of professional GLO. (my dad is a member of a Business and a Law fraternity).

I think its rare that you have multiple professional GLO of the same type at the same school, so would only be an issue with transfers or going to grad school at a different university.

ISUKappa 05-08-2007 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne (Post 1439973)
If you were a new member of one NPC and you were not initiated, you may pledge another NPC. However, you MUST wait one calendar year to accept a bid from the other NPC.

No "ifs", "ands", or "buts". End of story.

Actually, this is only applicable if the PNM stays at the same campus. If she transfers before the end of the year, she is eligible to go through recruitment and be given a bid at her new school.

Still BLUTANG 05-08-2007 03:27 PM

dual membership in music orgs (TBS, KKY, PMA, SAI)
its o.k. (but know your campus climate)

i have also known people do to both musics orgs (example KKY and PMA) then an NPHC fraternity.

again, know your campus climate. :p

KAPital PHINUst 05-08-2007 03:33 PM

This probably should goes without saying, but just for the record:

Social, professional, honorary, service--DEFINATELY ALLOWED!

Sidenote: I knew a former Student Government president who was a member of Kappa Alpha Psi, Kappa Kappa Psi, Kappa Delta Pi, and Alpha Kappa Mu. I think he took that "kappa" thing to a whole 'nother level. *lol*

Also, membership in Alpha Phi Omega and Gamma Sigma Sigma--allowed.

MysticCat 05-08-2007 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Still BLUTANG (Post 1443377)
dual membership in music orgs (TBS, KKY, PMA, SAI)
its o.k. (but know your campus climate)

i have also known people do to both musics orgs (example KKY and PMA) then an NPHC fraternity.

again, know your campus climate. :p

Well, dual membership in Phi Mu Alpha and Sigma Alpha Iota would not be okay or even possible, since the former is all male and the later is all female. ;)

The rule is: Dual membership is not allowed among Phi Mu Alpha, Sigma Alpha Iota, Mu Phi Epsilon (which is co-ed) or Delta Omicron (also co-ed). Phi Beta (co-ed, as well) might also be included in this group, too; I'm not sure. At the least, even if Phi Beta allowed dual membership, I think Phi Mu Alpha might prohibit it, but it's not a question I've run into.

Dual membership in Phi Mu Alpha and Kappa Kappa Psi is allowed as far as national policies are concerned, since the former is a social fraternity and the latter is "an honorary service organization" (quoting KKY/TBS's national website). As you say, campus climate may be different, and I know there are different feelings about this among members of Phi Mu Alpha. (We used to have a joint agreement with Kappa Kappa Psi on the subject, but it is my understanding that Phi Mu Alpha has withdrawn from that agreement.)

I don't know how Sigma Alpha Iota, Mu Phi Epsilon, Delta Omicron or Phi Beta feel about dual membership with Kappa Kappa Psi/Tau Beta Sigma.

Still BLUTANG 05-08-2007 04:23 PM

thanks for clarifying what what i meant...
KKY + PMA or TBS + SAI membership is what people generally see... but then you have male TBS who are PMA and/or female KKY who are SAI... it gets confusing after awhile, but y'all get the idea. :)

Leslie Anne 05-11-2007 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISUKappa (Post 1443372)
Actually, this is only applicable if the PNM stays at the same campus. If she transfers before the end of the year, she is eligible to go through recruitment and be given a bid at her new school.

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info. I'll amend my post.

dazed 05-23-2007 06:34 PM

well, i have a question. I made a mistake and joined a sorority that from the beginning i knew wasn't for me. it is a NPC sorority so i didn't have an option of joining the one i really wanted AKA (which is a NPHC). If i drop the one i'm in, do i still have a chance of being a proud member of AKA?

Unregistered- 05-23-2007 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazed (Post 1453807)
well, i have a question. I made a mistake and joined a sorority that from the beginning i knew wasn't for me. it is a NPC sorority so i didn't have an option of joining the one i really wanted AKA (which is a NPHC). If i drop the one i'm in, do i still have a chance of being a proud member of AKA?

NO.

Please see the very first post in this thread and pay close attention to the portion that says that dual memberships in NPC and NPHC are not allowed.

dazed 05-23-2007 06:47 PM

so even if i drop it i'll always be a member? even if i'm changing schools? :eek:

Unregistered- 05-23-2007 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazed (Post 1453812)
so even if i drop it i'll always be a member? even if i'm changing schools? :eek:

Holding dual memberships in NPC and NPHC sororities is not allowed. Even if you terminate your membership in the NPC, you were already initiated, making you ineligible. You can try, but no one's really going to feel sorry for you when you get outed. People do find out, you know.

NPHC members, you got another one. Feel free to chime in and set her straight.

mccoyred 05-23-2007 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1453814)
NPHC members, you got another one. Feel free to chime in and set her straight.

Thank you for your permission...:rolleyes:

ladygreek 05-23-2007 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1453944)
Thank you for your permission...:rolleyes:

From my mind to your finger tips. And if it had of been anyone else besides OTW, I might have gotten a little salty. :p

Unregistered- 05-23-2007 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1453944)
Thank you for your permission...:rolleyes:

I'm sorry you felt as if I was giving you permission. That wasn't the intent. Maybe I should have worded it better, but it was more of an encouragement to add your input because it was obvious mine wasn't good enough for her.

:rolleyes: back atcha :)

ChildoftheHorn 05-24-2007 01:01 AM

Hmm
 
I will say, determining what to join or not is a big deal.

My BFF was really under a lot of stress of whether to join and NPHC sorority or NPC. She eventually decided to go through formal recruitment our freshman year and decided that she really felt at home in DZ. If she didn't feel she liked it, she was going to drop herself out. She still does stuff with her friends in those orgs. and goes to the parties too. Her mom is in the NPHC and just being Greek has brought them even closer.

I, myself, have been formally invited to SAI parties. Though I know a large part of the chapter (like 75%+), I just do not have the time to devote to both. Forever I will go to the PMA and SAI recitals; I know a lot of the guys too. Just because you may/may not be a part of one organization, it doesn't mean that you can't support another.

Seriously, I go to all the step shows I can on campus. That tradition is so awesome to me ( plus I get my sorority sisters and friends to go too).
Personally, I would look at what you are looking for in an organization and then decide for yourself. Give everything a thorough evaluation first!

"It's sounds like all Greek to me!"

AKA_Monet 05-24-2007 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazed (Post 1453807)
well, i have a question. I made a mistake and joined a sorority that from the beginning i knew wasn't for me. it is a NPC sorority so i didn't have an option of joining the one i really wanted AKA (which is a NPHC). If i drop the one i'm in, do i still have a chance of being a proud member of AKA?

Well, as you found out, when you decided to be grown and adult, you made an adult decision. Now, you must live with the choice you made. Why do you ever have a problem now?

1908Revelations 05-24-2007 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazed (Post 1453807)
well, i have a question. I made a mistake and joined a sorority that from the beginning i knew wasn't for me. it is a NPC sorority so i didn't have an option of joining the one i really wanted AKA (which is a NPHC). If i drop the one i'm in, do i still have a chance of being a proud member of AKA?

ETA Interesting screen name!

Quote:

Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1453808)
NO.

coloring by me

yangstar 05-24-2007 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazed (Post 1453807)
well, i have a question. I made a mistake and joined a sorority that from the beginning i knew wasn't for me. it is a NPC sorority so i didn't have an option of joining the one i really wanted AKA (which is a NPHC). If i drop the one i'm in, do i still have a chance of being a proud member of AKA?

What made you change your mind? What attracted you to the NPC one in the first place?

KyleMcGuire1983 05-24-2007 07:40 AM

That's pretty insulting to your org that you feel you should have pledge at another GLO.

I'd heard a story of one of our old vice presidents renouncing his badge and joining Sigma Pi. Mind you that I like Sigma Pi, I have friends there and we party at each others houses.....buuuuut that really angers me and everyone considers him a traitor knight. If it wasn't a fit why didn't you just depledge?

Guest1 05-24-2007 04:22 PM

wow!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983 (Post 1454124)
That's pretty insulting to your org that you feel you should have pledge at another GLO.

I'd heard a story of one of our old vice presidents renouncing his badge and joining Sigma Pi. Mind you that I like Sigma Pi, I have friends there and we party at each others houses.....buuuuut that really angers me and everyone considers him a traitor knight. If it wasn't a fit why didn't you just depledge?


Is this verified- I had no idea that this could happen! I'm actually surprised that he was invited to join another organization at all...

Sugar08 05-24-2007 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazed (Post 1453807)
well, i have a question. I made a mistake and joined a sorority that from the beginning i knew wasn't for me. it is a NPC sorority so i didn't have an option of joining the one i really wanted AKA (which is a NPHC). If i drop the one i'm in, do i still have a chance of being a proud member of AKA?

I know of a couple of Pike colonists at Howard who are now proud members of the reactivation KAPsi line.

I believe they got around the rules because of the differences between a colony and a chapter.

Or something. :rolleyes:

Unregistered- 05-24-2007 04:41 PM

After reading some of the comments here, I'm really glad that the NPC has the unanimous agreement in place regarding dual NPC memberships.

ladygreek 05-24-2007 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1454499)
I know of a couple of Pike colonists at Howard who are now proud members of the reactivation KAPsi line.

I believe they got around the rules because of the differences between a colony and a chapter.

Or something. :rolleyes:

Oh the irony.

sigmadiva 05-24-2007 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1454536)
Oh the irony.

Ditto!! ;)

jojapeach 05-24-2007 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1454536)
Oh the irony.

Seriously. :rolleyes:

Ch2tf 05-29-2007 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1454499)
I know of a couple of Pike colonists at Howard who are now proud members of the reactivation KAPsi line.

I believe they got around the rules because of the differences between a colony and a chapter.

Or something. :rolleyes:

Dang. I had felt kinda bad for them when they were getting a hard on GC with the whole Pike thing, but goodness!!!!:eek:

jubilance1922 05-29-2007 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1454499)
I know of a couple of Pike colonists at Howard who are now proud members of the reactivation KAPsi line.

I believe they got around the rules because of the differences between a colony and a chapter.

Or something. :rolleyes:

Why am I NOT surprised?

Senusret I 05-29-2007 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1454499)
I know of a couple of Pike colonists at Howard who are now proud members of the reactivation KAPsi line.

I believe they got around the rules because of the differences between a colony and a chapter.

Or something. :rolleyes:

See..... that really grinds my gears.


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