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PKT4LIFE 01-10-2018 09:22 PM

Penn State Fall 2017 Greek Chapter Score Card
 
Penn State released the Fall 2017 Greek Chapter Score Card, designed to help students and families make informed decisions about membership in a Greek-letter organization.

The score card reflects critical collective chapter information from the Fall 2017 semester, including membership, academic performance, conduct and standards of excellence categories.

http://news.psu.edu/story/500189/201...posted-measure

NinjaPoodle 01-10-2018 11:03 PM

Good information listed there.

clemsongirl 01-10-2018 11:32 PM

I understand why at Penn State specifically the GLOs have extra scrutiny on them-deservedly so-but if we made spreadsheets like this for athletic teams and other high profile student organizations, I wonder what we would find.

APhi2KD 01-10-2018 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clemsongirl (Post 2451243)
I understand why at Penn State specifically the GLOs have extra scrutiny on them-deservedly so-but if we made spreadsheets like this for athletic teams and other high profile student organizations, I wonder what we would find.

Wish they would!
Why are the new member counts so low?

PKT4LIFE 01-10-2018 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by APhi2KD (Post 2451245)
Wish they would!
Why are the new member counts so low?

Deferred recruitment.

http://onwardstate.com/2017/03/30/pe...l-regulations/

Kevin 01-11-2018 11:28 AM

I have mixed feelings about report cards such as these as they tend to perpetuate tiers and create more roadblocks for struggling chapters to break through to the next level. Considering the recent RM issues at PSU, performing well on a report card such as this is not necessarily an indicator that there aren't significant problems with a chapter.

GreekOne 01-12-2018 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2451271)
I have mixed feelings about report cards such as these as they tend to perpetuate tiers and create more roadblocks for struggling chapters to break through to the next level. Considering the recent RM issues at PSU, performing well on a report card such as this is not necessarily an indicator that there aren't significant problems with a chapter.

I agree that there could/should be much more included in this report card. But, it is a start. I would like to see the number of members that DA listed. I think that would speak volumes about the quality of the experience in the chapters.

From a parent's perspective, it shares more than we knew before. If the pledge GPA is substantially lower than the chapter GPA, it sends a signal about hazing, all nighters, etc. If there have been a bunch of alcohol violations, it would be a red flag. If I had a student that was planning on rushing, I would certainly want to see this so that I could at least discuss and encourage my child to lean toward some chapters over others.

At the end of the day, we know that in virtually all of these houses, there is underage drinking. Some will get caught. Some won't. A clean report card does not necessarily equal squeaky clean living.

While not perfect, it is a fair start.

33girl 01-12-2018 09:40 PM

Or it could mean that they took a bunch of pledges with very difficult class schedules...or that their pkedges are just, well, dumb. Also the NPC groups are always going to look the best on grades just because they have the largest pledge classes.

As the saying goes, lies, damned lies, and statistics. These things are pointless.

Cheerio 01-12-2018 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2451383)
Or it could mean that they took a bunch of pledges with very difficult class schedules...or that their pkedges are just, well, dumb. Also the NPC groups are always going to look the best on grades just because they have the largest pledge classes.

As the saying goes, lies, damned lies, and statistics. These things are pointless.

Over the years I've noticed it's often the smaller campus chapters of my sorority holding high campus GPAs, and those chapters usually fold because pnms somehow think "Who wants to join the smarty-pants house? They probably never party!"

ASTalumna06 01-13-2018 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2451383)
Or it could mean that they took a bunch of pledges with very difficult class schedules...or that their pkedges are just, well, dumb. Also the NPC groups are always going to look the best on grades just because they have the largest pledge classes.

As the saying goes, lies, damned lies, and statistics. These things are pointless.

This.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital."

In the long run, these will do nothing positive for struggling or middle-of-the-road chapters. Throwing out statistics like these could negatively affect recruitment and retention numbers.

And I'm not sure what any of this information (aside from the mention of chapter violations/suspensions) has to do with the risk management issues that spawned these score cards.


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