That's why I think it's an issue for Panhel. There needs to be a consistency. In addition (as an example), at Iowa there were rules to what things could cost (no more than the dorms and meal plan), so nobody could be WAY more. The preferred result for everyone listing full and fair accounting is the rushees would say, OK, I got it. They all cost give or take X number, and I'm cool with that. When you have girls choosing chapters based on cost, all hell can break loose.

This is EXACTLY the situation my chapter is currently in, and why I posed the question. Panhel only lists "total cost per year" prices with no explanation and does not provide an opportunity for PNMs to ask about financials or for chapters to provide a breakdown of where the money goes except during recruitment parties. We have been taught how to discuss financials should they come up during a party, but it makes us look bad (we chose to go all-inclusive as well, and nobody else has even though that's the price we were asked for) and frankly, it sucks to have a party full of awesome women who you want to join your chapter who have already decided they wouldn't accept a bid because your number is so much higher, even if it actually isn't that different from the others in the long run.

It's definitely a Panhel issue, I agree 100%. It's just frustrating and wanted to get opinions from others on whether PNMs asking was a good idea or not (as on, encouraging rho chis to tell the PNMs to ask at houses or not).

I apologize for the slight hijack of the thread and all of the typos. I'm not so great with my new phone yet and was trying to type way too quickly.

When I was our regional housing director, a particular chapter kept telling me that they were more expensive than everyone else because of house corporation and that it was hurting them in recruitment. PH published the numbers the chapters gave them. it took me THREE years of asking to see the numbers before I got all the information. PH sent a form to the chapter PRESIDENTS (what? why not the VP:Finance???) and she filled it out. Well, our president was filling it out incorrectly every year because she didn't understand the form...which really did attempt to make it apples to apples. When I completed the form, their fees - according to the layout by PH - were almost $1000 less than they had been reporting. I think it's very important that the numbers are computed by someone who really understands the form and the fees and that PH publish it correctly. While all chapters are supposed to discuss fees during recruitment (according to NPC), the PNMs really just cannot absorb it all in that environment.

The way you make them honest is by sharing what they turn in with their headquarters. HQ ought to know the finances of the Chapter.

Maybe this sounds ridiculous, but did you all allow them to keep the sheets of paper? This came up our recruitment chairs meeting and at UC Davis they do hand these out, but because you cannot give anything to a PNM, the chapters have to collect them back or be fined. I can't imagine a PNM is really memorizing this data at each party... I would think just putting it in the recruitment booklet would be much better!

This is where your NPC AA needs to step in say enough is enough and get that out of the recruitment rules. Setting fines for things that aren't measurable is a no-no anyway. Fines because your list was late, sure. Within reason. No $50 per minute craziness. Fines because PNMs need educated about the financial obligations, no way. As you mentioned, the booklet may be the best place anyway.

This is also why NPC recommends publishing ranges so no group is judged as the most or lease expensive. I've found the ranges also prevent the intentional under estimators.

Just wanted to submit UCF's cost sheet for last year - I think it's a good example of how things should be laid out. http://fsl.sdes.ucf.edu/docs/pan/Pan...er%20Costs.pdf

That is good Leximarie.

Yeah, this is one of those things like glitter on the shoes. Just make a standard form, hand it out, and stop being petty assholes.

I remember that we got financial forms from each of the sororities that we attended on house tour day and we were allowed to take them with us. I also remember that we were not allowed to take anything else out with us on any of the other days.

Thanks, you all, for the great info. I'll let our recruitment team know to get in contact with our AA about getting to keep the sheets.

OMG I can just hear it! The ABCs put theirs on nicer colored paper with prettier font!

This is from my daughter's school. It's very helpful. It was printed in the rush guide booklet last year, but I notice it's not in this year's. But the link is quite obvious on the Greek Life home page.

http://www.wlu.edu/Documents/student...bligations.pdf

Just to put it in perspective, here's the fraternity version. Yikes.

http://www.wlu.edu/Documents/student...bligations.pdf